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#144 Breathe Calmness into Your Life with Melinda Cange

 
 

Join me in this episode of the Glow Life podcast as we dive into the transformative power of mindful breathing with my guest Melinda Cange. We discuss

  • How self-awareness, mind-body connection, and breathwork can help alleviate stress and foster a sense of peace and authenticity.

  • The physiological and psychological benefits, and practical tips for integrating breathing exercises into daily life.

  • Simple yet effective techniques to improve emotional well-being and overall health.

00:00 Introduction to the Glow Life Podcast
00:53 Welcoming Melinda and Starting with a Breathing Exercise
03:38 Melinda's Journey into Breathwork
05:42 The Importance of Deep Breathing in Daily Life
12:29 Impact of Clothing on Breathing
14:43 Breaking Unhealthy Habits and Building New Ones
21:31 Non-Negotiable Self-Care Routines
23:26 Quick Questions and Final Thoughts

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The information and opinions expressed here are believed to be accurate, based on the best judgement available to the speakers, and readers and listeners who fail to consult with appropriate health authorities assume the risk of any injuries. In addition, the information and opinions expressed here do not necessarily reflect the views of every contributor. The Company acknowledges occasional differences in opinion and welcomes the exchange of different viewpoints.

#143 Playfulness is the Key to Joy with Nic Huzz

 
 

In this episode of the Glow Life Podcast, I chat with Nic Huzz, a digital nomad and silent disco host who has turned playfulness into a lifestyle. From dancing in unexpected places, such as the Opera House in Sydney or the Taj Mahal in India, to overcoming fears, Nic shares how finding flow and embracing joy can transform your life. Discover:

  • How Nic started hosting silent discos and inspired people worldwide.

  • The shift from fear to excitement and how it unlocked endless possibilities.

  • Nic's unique take on work, play, and being paid for doing what you love.

  • The power of playfulness to break free from self-imposed limitations.

Tune in to be inspired by Nic’s journey and learn how to bring more fun and courage into your own life.

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The information and opinions expressed here are believed to be accurate, based on the best judgement available to the speakers, and readers and listeners who fail to consult with appropriate health authorities assume the risk of any injuries. In addition, the information and opinions expressed here do not necessarily reflect the views of every contributor. The Company acknowledges occasional differences in opinion and welcomes the exchange of different viewpoints.

#141 Embody Your Glow: Emotional Wellbeing Through Movement with Daniela Krüger

 
 

In this episode, I welcomed Daniela Krüger, Founder of A Place Of Love, Sexual Counselor & Neo Emotional Release Practitioner & Tantric Embodiment Teacher.

Together, we talk about the importance of self-awareness, mind-body connection, and emotional release practices. Daniela shares her journey through music, emotional struggles, and how she transitioned to helping women find their authentic power.

We discuss simple and practical methods for emotional regulation, such as shaking practices, the power of embodiment, and the psychosomatic impacts on health.

Daniela emphasizes how important rest is, why you should have a consistent self-care practice, and why you might have to break through societal norms to live a balanced, fulfilling life. The episode is filled with insights into creating a self-loving and authentic life by embracing both light and dark emotions.

Embody Your Glow: A Journey into Holistic Health and Emotional Wellbeing Through Movement

Have you ever wondered how movement can transform your emotional state? In a recent podcast episode, host Martina sits down with Daniela Krüger to explore the power of embodiment, movement, and deep emotional release. Together, they delve into feeling safe in one’s home and body, understanding embodiment, and harnessing the transformative energy of dance and movement.

Daniela is the founder of A Place of Love and a dedicated Sexual Counselor, Neo Emotional Release Practitioner, and Tantric Embodiment Teacher. Drawing on the Freedom of Movement philosophy, she empowers individuals, couples, and groups to reconnect with their love, life force, and authentic expression. Her holistic approach integrates Womb/Hara healing, retreats, and mentorship, creating spaces for growth, self-discovery, and connection.

The Art of Embodiment: Achieving Connection and Authenticity

What is embodiment, and why is it essential for our wellbeing? Daniela defines embodiment as the state of being home in one’s body and living authentically from that space. This practice means living consciously inside oneself and expressing one's truth and emotions fully. In a world often focused on mental achievements, this kind of soulful living can be revolutionary, allowing us to reclaim our power and connect more deeply with our true selves and others.

Transforming Through Movement: Shaking for Balance

Movement is not just about physical fitness; it can be a profound tool for emotional regulation and healing. Daniela shares her experience with a year-long practice of daily shaking—a form of dance that helps regulate the nervous system. Whether you need to downregulate from feelings of overwhelm or upregulate to conquer low energy, shaking offers a dynamic way to achieve inner balance. It's a simple yet powerful practice that can be incorporated into daily life, offering harmony and renewed energy.

The Power of Community: Women Empowering Women

In a society where women often face the dual pressures of professional success and emotional invisibility, women’s communities can be a source of healing and strength. Daniela emphasizes the importance of creating safe spaces for women to express themselves authentically. By embracing our vulnerabilities and supporting each other, we can heal deep societal wounds and move towards true empowerment.

Neo Emotional Release: A Path to Healing

Emotional release isn’t just letting go of feelings; it’s about witnessing and embracing them. Daniela introduces the concept of neo emotional release, a bodywork technique that enables individuals to access deep-seated emotions and ancestral woundings. By connecting with the body’s tension points, one can process major emotions and traumas, leading to profound personal and familial healing. This work highlights the interconnectedness of our personal histories and emotional states, offering a path not only to individual peace but also to healing generational traumas.

Building Consistency in Self-Care

Consistent self-care is essential for maintaining a glowing life. As Daniela advises, routines don’t need to be rigid. Instead, they should be flexible and intuitive, allowing us to meet our unique needs each day. Simple practices like a mindful shower or tuning into one’s body for a few minutes can make a significant difference. It’s about small, sustainable changes that honor our evolving energy and emotions.

Conclusion: Living a Glowing Life

As you embark on your journey towards holistic health and emotional wellbeing, remember that small daily practices can bring about significant transformations. From powerful movement techniques to deeply entrenched emotional healing, you have the tools to enhance your emotional and physical health. Join Daniela Krüger and Martina as they guide you through the process of embodying your glow, one mindful movement at a time.

Are you ready to take charge of your emotional wellbeing? Begin integrating these practices into your life today and witness their transformative power. If you’re curious to learn more about Daniela’s work or want to join her vibrant community, explore her retreats and courses to continue your journey of self-discovery and healing. Together, let’s change the world—one empowered step at a time.

Remember, your emotions do not define your worth; they empower you to live authentically and fully. Stay tuned for more insights and inspirations from the upcoming episodes of The Glow Life Podcast.

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The information and opinions expressed here are believed to be accurate, based on the best judgement available to the speakers, and readers and listeners who fail to consult with appropriate health authorities assume the risk of any injuries. In addition, the information and opinions expressed here do not necessarily reflect the views of every contributor. The Company acknowledges occasional differences in opinion and welcomes the exchange of different viewpoints.

#140 Embracing Your Soul Fire with Dion Pfisterer

 
 

In this insightful episode, Dion Pfisterer, musician and Bali’s no. 1 DJ, shares his remarkable journey from being a drummer to embracing the holistic lifestyle of music, travel, and spirituality. Martina, our host, delves deep into themes of intuition, vulnerability, and authentic living.

Together, they explore the profound impacts of listening to one's heart, expressing vulnerability, and cherishing connection, while highlighting the transformational power of ecstatic dance and self-care.

This episode offers a fresh perspective on living authentically, with practical insights for enhancing mental and emotional wellbeing through holistic practices.

The Nonlinear Path to Passion

Dion Pfisterer's story is not one of a linear journey, and that's where its beauty lies. From playing percussion in diverse music genres like rock, reggae, and world music to following his passion for travel, Dion’s path defies conventional norms. As Martina aptly points out, society often dictates a straight line from studying at university to working in a field for life. Dion, however, listens to his intuition. He describes how his heart tells him when something is right, even amidst fear and resistance. This highlights an essential lesson in self-discovery and pursuing one's passions.

The Art of Listening to Your Intuition

In today's fast-paced world, tuning into your intuition can feel daunting. Dion explains how sensing his heartbeat and paying attention to physical cues guide him toward decisions that align with his true self. This practice underscores the importance of embracing discomfort and using it as a springboard for growth. Martina contributes to this by challenging listeners to create beautiful narratives about their lives. Why not believe everything will exceed expectations? Our vulnerability can become our greatest strength.

Vulnerability: THE Pathway to Connection

Both Dion and Martina emphasize that vulnerability is not a weakness but a gateway to authentic connection. Sharing one's true feelings, even those of anger or disappointment, can foster deeper relationships. Dion's surprise at a friend’s honest expression of anger illustrates the power of vulnerability in strengthening bonds. Martina candidly discusses the universal need to be seen and heard. Through willingness to experience vulnerability, we unlock the potential for transformative human connections.

Creating Space for Emotional Expression

In Western society, physical proximity doesn't always translate to emotional closeness. Despite living in cities and suburbs, many find themselves isolated. Dion reflects on the beauty of connecting with others and the energy exchanged in heartfelt interactions. He advocates for experiencing life fully, inviting emotions to the forefront through dance, movement, and music. This expressive approach facilitates a release from mundane conversations, offering a breath of fresh air into emotional well-being.

Emotional Wellbeing Through Movement and Dance

Ecstatic dance offers an avenue to converse beyond words, engaging our bodies in emotional expression. Dion cherishes the vulnerability that emerges when people feel safe enough to cry in his presence. He sees it as a symbol of trust and strength. The metaphor of crawling on the floor in tears or spinning in circles in joy captures the spectrum of experiences available through dance. Being comfortable with discomfort allows for profound moments of joy, empowerment, and spiritual connection.

Prioritizing Self-Care and Authentic Living

Martina stresses the need for self-care and nurturing the emotional body. By prioritizing emotional health, other aspects of life naturally fall into place. Dion expresses gratitude for opportunities to share his music worldwide and live authentically. When we focus on living true to ourselves, the ripple effect touches more lives than we could ever know. Martina and Dion encourage listeners to consider, "What's the best that could happen?" as they move forward with renewed purpose and authenticity.

Through candid conversations, this episode navigates the intersections of mental and emotional wellbeing, highlighting holistic health practices and the transformative power of vulnerability and movement. It's a call to embrace life's journey, nurture connections, and dance as a path to healing.

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Upcoming Embodied DJ Retreats:

  • March 3-9, 2025 in Bali, Indonesia

  • September 22-28, 2025 in Spain

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#139 Thriving in Emotional Polarity

 
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Have you ever experienced a day where you feel so happy and the next moment you can't stop crying? That's literally how my past few weeks have been for me.

When we learn to dance in this polarity of feeling extremely high vibe in one moment and frustrated or angry in the next one, we become incredibly resilient.

The key is to allow your emotions to be there without judgment, knowing that your emotions don't mean anything about your worth. When we can learn to accept what is and be present with what is, we strengthen a muscle that's going to be incredibly valuable for the rest of your life.

This is the final episode of Season 2! Thank you for being a part of our Glow Life Podcast Journey!

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TODAY’S EPISODE TRANSCRIBED:

Martina Fink 0:00

This is episode number 139 about thriving and polarity. Welcome to the glow life podcast. The one and only place for ambitious, high achieving and perfectionist women like you who want to leave, overwhelm behind. Turn self doubt into self confidence. And learn to trust yourself again, so that you can work less fully love and accept yourself and live a fulfilled and glowing life. Every week, I'll be giving you tips and inspiration on how to think less, feel more slow down and use your body and your daily habits to help you step up, level up and glow up in all areas of your life. This is not just about the big shifts, you can glow just a little more every single day.

Martina Fink 1:02

Welcome back to the glow life podcast. And this is our very final episode for season two of the Glow Life podcast, we are actually celebrating three years of the glow Live podcast and we are ending season two, without knowing what's going to happen next. Sometimes we need to close the door to be able to open a new one. And maybe we will come back and be right back with season three in a month. Or we may not. Right now, I don't know what's going to happen next. And we're just taking it one step at a time. So, so happy that you've been with us through season one and two of this podcast. And we still hope that there is more information and inspiration for you to find in the glow world for you. Now today I want to talk about how to thrive in polarity. polarity means that there are complete opposites and extremes that come together. For example, Yin and Yang, or polarity, day and night is polarity. The relationship these two extremes have is the polarity. And polarity is something that I have been experiencing more recently, in very extreme ways. I have been on emotional roller coasters in the past few weeks around my business around my private life with myself really also considering that we've been in this pandemic for such a long time. And I am someone who loves to travel and move around and explore and, you know, experience life in different cultures and not being able to do that I'm sure you can relate if you love to travel, that kind of gets you in a space where you haven't really been with yourself sometimes or for a long time or ever. Right. And I have been feeling all kinds of feelings in over the course of a couple moments, sometimes sometimes over the course of a couple of days. And I've been feeling extremely happy and grounded and excited at times. And then the next moment I can just burst out in tears in unstoppable cries. And yeah, not really understand what is going on. The beautiful thing about this is that thinking back to my life a couple years ago how I used to wear this mask. I'm no longer wearing this mask, neither in front of myself, nor in front of other people. And in the past, if you had asked me like, couple years ago, if you had asked me how are you? I would just be saying something like, Oh, I'm great. Or I would say oh, I'm just a little stress. But I would not be really honest, because I was afraid what people would think of me and everyone would expect you to either be busy or to be well, but no one really wants to hear what's truly going on. Right? We're not used to hearing people talk about their struggles. And even the people closest to me, are often just seeing my mask without knowing. And I didn't even know that this is what I was doing. And now if someone is really close to me and they asked me, How are you? I will be real. My tears will come up the moment you asked me if they need to. I'll be real and raw and there is absolutely no shame about sharing how I'm feeling. Now, if this is something that you have experienced too, that you can sway from one extreme to another extreme within moments, I want you to know that it means absolutely nothing about you, it doesn't mean that you are a bad person. It doesn't mean that you are amazing. It doesn't mean that you are not enough, it says absolutely nothing about you. Your emotions are just this, they are energy in motion. Which means that when you allow yourself to go through all of these feelings, the energy can actually move through you and move out of you. And that is what helps to ultimately heal you. So when you go through these polarities and emotions and these one extremes to the other extremes within minutes, or moments or days, can you allow them to just flow through you? Can you allow these emotions to coexist?

Martina Fink 6:03

Can you be happy and sad? At the same time, happy about something sad about the other thing. And that just doesn't mean anything. It doesn't define who you are. Can you allow your emotions to just be there with zero judgment with no meaning? Can you allow yourself to just be there with you in that moment? Can you allow yourself to hold yourself through this? And yes, can you allow yourself to ask for help and support if you desire so? Can you allow yourself to just love yourself a little more in this moment. face yourself with love. face yourself with compassion. face yourself with presence. face yourself with observation rather than judgment. This is the globe life, a life where you become present with yourself. present with your emotions present with what is right now. present with your wounds present with your pain present with your desires. And just take it for what it is without making it right or wrong without labeling it as good or bad. Just be there with yourself and you will see how slowly but surely your glow will come back when you allow yourself to just be present. Instead of trying to fix something instead of trying to logically analyze something instead of forcefully trying to find a solution. The beauty of your emotions the beauty of your feminine energy is to just be there without having to force a next step without having to find a solution without having to fix anything. I hope this will help you through your next emotional roller coaster. Your next moment where you feel lost your next time where you feel confused and you don't know what to do. You don't know what it means you don't know what the next step will be. It is okay to just be there with yourself in that present moment and know and remember that you are loved. You are enough. And you are beautiful.

Martina Fink 8:53

Thank you beautiful soul for being on this journey with me. Keep glowing. You deserve it.


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#138 You Are Ready Now with Ale González

 
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Sometimes, the only thing that's standing in your way is yourself.

If you are an overthinker, you want to do many different things, and feel like you know what you need to do, but still can't take the first step, you're going to resonate a lot with Ale in this on-air coaching episode.

Ale from Mexico has been looking for something to fulfill her. After being intoxicated by a pill a doctor gave her to cure her depression, Ale was ill for almost six months, which made her rethink her life and question everything. She's currently interested in creating a business and has several great ideas, but feels overwhelmed with where to start and doesn't fully believe in herself.

IN TODAY’S EPISODE, WE TALK ABOUT:

  • How to determine what exactly is holding her back

  • Why there's more to moving forward in life than just what you think

  • How to release the heavy weight on your shoulder that's keeping you stuck

  • Why having clear conversations with loved ones are key for your worthiness

  • Why you are ready now (and don't need x, y, or z before you can be ready)

  • How to ask for help without feeling like a failure

And so much more!

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TODAY’S EPISODE TRANSCRIBED:

Martina Fink 0:00

This is episode number 138 with Ale Gonzales. Welcome to the Glow Life podcast. The one and only place for ambitious, high achieving and perfectionist women like you who want to leave, overwhelm behind. Turn self doubt into self confidence. And learn to trust yourself again, so that you can work less fully love and accept yourself and live a fulfilled and glowing life. Every week, I'll be giving you tips and inspiration on how to think less, feel more slow down and use your body and your daily habits to help you step up, level up and glow up in all areas of your life. This is not just about the big shifts, you can glow just a little more every single day.

Martina Fink 1:03

Welcome back to the glow Live podcast. Today we're doing an on air coaching session, which is some sort of a behind the scenes of what it looks like to work with me. And we condense that into a podcast episode. Now my guest today la from Mexico, which is exciting. And I we have never talked before, we have only messaged a few times on Instagram to arrange the time for this podcast episode. So this is a very raw and real conversation we've never worked together before. We never met before this is real and authentic. So I'm really excited to share this conversation with you and kind of give you a little bit of an insight into what coaching truly looks like and can look like. And before we get started, I do want to share as always my glow Tip of the Week with you. And it is very connected to what we are covering in today's conversation. And it is to get out of your head into your heart. Most probably you are a perfectionist and perfectionists have a tendency to overthink because we want to have everything look perfect, be perfect. And in order for us to get there, we need to have a very good plan, we need to have a to do list we need to figure it out. And that requires a lot of thinking. Now here's the thing, when we think so much, we have all of our energy in our head. And I want you to think about like your body physical body, all of the energy is in your head, that can cause a lot of pressure on your head, which can lead to headaches, and nauseous feelings, it can lead to dizziness and things like that, right. So when you have all of your energy in your head, then the rest of your body is not full of energy at all it has, in fact no energy. And that part of your body includes your heart, all of your energy is in your head, no energy is in your heart. So therefore, when you overthink things, you are completely cut off from how something feels for you. And that is one of the first steps that I work with my clients on is to connect back to the heart. Think about how you are feeling think about how something is feeling for you. You know, so many people are working so hard and so much. And they think they have to because that's a story. And that's the energy going on their head. But if we actually think about how that feels for us, it probably doesn't feel that good. Probably a lot of pressure, probably a lot of frustration. And being able to tap into those feelings that you have in your heart. It's a skill. It's like when you go to the gym and you're strengthening your muscles, learning to feel your emotions is the exact same thing. If you've never really connected with your heart before, if you are completely disconnected from your feelings. Chances are the first time you talk about this is not going to be a super emotional session. Because you have built layers around your heart you have built a protection around your heart so that nobody can see how you truly feel. So my question or my challenge for you today is to get out of your head into your heart, whatever that means. Maybe it means closing your eyes and having your hands on your heart. Maybe it means dancing to your favorite song. While taking a break from work and getting out of your head into your feelings. Maybe it means doing a beautiful meditation. Maybe it means Lighting a candle and having some essential oils going in your house. Tune into your heart. It is so knowledgeable It is so wise it will always have answers. For your questions, and now, I'm so excited to bring on Allah Gonzalez from Mexico. Sometimes the only thing that's standing in your way is yourself. And if you are an over thinker you want too many different things at the same time and you feel like you know what you need to do but still can't take that first step you're going to resonate a lot with Ali in this on air coaching episode today. Now, Allah has been looking for something to fulfill her and after being intoxicated by a pill that a doctor gave her to cure her depression, Ella was ill for almost six months, which made her rethink her life and question everything. She is currently interested in creating a business and has several great ideas, but feels overwhelmed with where to start and doesn't fully believe in herself. In today's episode, we talk about how to determine what exactly is holding her back why There's more to moving forward in life than just what you think how to release the heavy weight on your shoulders that's keeping you stuck, why having clear conversations with loved ones are key for your worthiness, why you are ready now. And don't need X, Y or Z before you can be ready, and how to ask for help without feeling like a failure, and so much more. And you can find everything we talked about today in the show notes at Martina Fink comm slash podcast slash 138. Welcome Ale, I am so grateful to have you on the podcast today.

Ale González 6:36

Thank you, thank you for having me.

Martina Fink 6:37

So today we're doing an on air coaching session, which means that we're really going to dive into some of your personal struggles and just get you some clarity around what your next steps are towards your what I call a glowing life for you personally. So what would you say is the biggest struggle that you're experiencing right now?

Ale González 6:59

I think that they're they're like, there is a lot of things that I want to do. But each of them are like going through the same direction. But they're like different things. And I don't know, like how to connect all like all the dots or all the things that I want to do to go to that direction.

Martina Fink 7:19

Yes. So it sounds like you have a lot of ideas. And all of them are similar and connected, but you don't know what exactly you want to do. Yeah. So tell me a little bit more about all these many things that you want to do.

Ale González 7:35

Well, I for the last year, I mean, 2018 I started like a business that is about Organa stating like houses like your kitchen, your law said and all that like everything you want to get organized. I wanted to work with that. And it was not just about cleaning and organizing, but also like to bring consciousness to your life every day, you wake up and you see the same stuff you have in your house. So it was more about being conscious about what you have in your home. Like make every thing every every little thing that you have in your house, make it special, like it really brings you joy to your life. So I started with that. But then three months later, after that, they complete things started so I couldn't like start like really, really start with that. And then I was like really struggling also with being like alone with these, these months. And something that really helped me it was a lot of exercises and tools that I learned through the last like four or three years. And it was meditating and journaling and all that like tools. And one thing I made like it was not more like a business. But it was something that I wanted to make for other people because that was the thing that made me feel better. It was I created like a self no journal that he was about all these tools, and I made it for myself. But then I felt like it this is what is missing in other people's lives to feel like comfortable being alone or being with themselves or being just like locked down in their houses. So I made this like journal that it's about also bringing consciousness to your life. How are you leaving what is bothering you about being by yourself, what is bothering me about you like being alone and just you know, having a relationship with yourself. So these are like two things that I created in the last two years. And then this year, I went to another course that is about energy and bringing awareness also in consciousness to your life, that it's like moving energy in your head. So I have these three things, that it's basically about Paying attention to every detail in your life and knowing what's what's working for you. What do you really want? And like, move on with that and leave the rest behind. So that's the three things that I, I kind of like working with, but don't know how exactly to put them together.

Martina Fink 10:19

Right. Okay, great. And so the last one that you shared around moving energy around, like, is that some sort of energy healing practice? or?

Ale González 10:29

Yeah, it's called access bars. I don't know if you have listened about that before. But it's like touching 32 points in your head. And with that, when I talk to them, I move the energy about all the like, the ideas, the all the things that you were like, raceways, that does not serve you anymore. So it's like that energy?

Martina Fink 10:54

Yeah. So basically, it helps. It's like energy work that helps reprogram your subconscious mind kind of thing to get rid of like limiting beliefs and blocks, expand your mind, is your question. Now, which of these ones do I go with? Or is your question how can I combine the two? Or is your question like, I don't even know what I'm doing?

Ale González 11:17

Well, I enjoy doing the three of them. Yeah, I mean, I like them. That's why I like created them. But I don't know. I mean, I'm struggling, because I don't know how to like how to get started, like I started already. But with the organization thing, it's, it's more like difficult, because I don't know why I cannot like make it work, if I can say like that. But yeah, I mean, I want to like bring them all together. And like, just let people know that this is what I work in. One is not like separated from the other because it's all about awareness and getting rid of what doesn't work for you anymore.

Martina Fink 12:02

Right? And let's check in with how this actually feels for you. So how are you feeling about knowing that you have these three things and you don't know where to start?

Ale González 12:11

Well I mean, I start I already but I, I feel like I cannot lay tell people, or I don't know how even I started. I already like put on my social media, I do this, I work with this and everything. But I don't know what's missing from me that it's not like attracting the people I want to work with.

Martina Fink 12:37

Right. And so I will ask the same question. Again, you haven't really answered it, I can sense that you have a lot going on your mind, there's a lot of thinking a lot of like, I don't understand, I don't know what to do. There's a lot like a lot of energy up here, right? So what I want you to do is take a moment and drop into your heart to maybe even like place your hand on your heart and close your eyes for a minute. And I want you to think about the situation with the three ideas that you have. And some of them you have already started. And you have already posted about them and shared with others about them. But it's not really going the way you wanted to. So how can you describe that feeling that is present in your heart right now? Is there a specific word that comes to mind?

Ale González 13:31

I don't know. Probably. I mean, it's something that I've been also struggling with any slights like confidence, like, I know I can do this. And it's like, it's like, I want to do it. But I feel sometimes I feel confident about it. And sometimes I don't.

Martina Fink 13:50

Okay, close your eyes again. Is there a specific place or space in your body where you're feeling something? tension, heaviness, lightness, excitement, anything?

Ale González 14:04

Well, yeah, I'm feeling like a heaviness in my shoulders and also in my lower back.

Martina Fink 14:10

And if you keep your eyes closed, tune into that heaviness on your shoulders and on your lower back. Just kind of be present. Be conscious about those feelings there. Is there a specific color that comes with that heaviness?

Ale González 14:33

gray

Martina Fink 14:34

if there's specific like texture or shape or temperature or something that you can also identify

Ale González 14:44

Is just like normal temperature and it doesn't have a like a figure or something. It's just like, I don't know like a fountain of color if I can, like describe it like that. Like getting in my shoulders.

Martina Fink 14:59

Okay. Beautiful, and just stay there for a bit.

Martina Fink 15:07

You're constantly carrying this gray, heaviness around with you. And let's just say it's probably not very helpful for what you're trying to do. So you can consciously choose to remove this gray heaviness. What do you think would be helpful for you to get rid of this weight on your shoulders?

Ale González 15:31

To be less perfectionist with myself?

Martina Fink 15:37

Where are you perfectionist with yourself?

Ale González 15:39

Like right now? What I, sometimes I don't start things because I think that they're always missing something. So it's always like, I have to do everything perfect. And that, like, I'm trying to work with that with me.

Martina Fink 16:00

Beautiful. So for now, can you imagine and visualize that you just take this gray shoulder weight off your shoulders, almost like a backpack, you take it off and you, you put it down next to you. And then you can walk away without that weight and that heaviness on your shoulders. Just leave it there. And then whenever you're ready, you can come back and open your eyes. Beautiful. Well done. wasn't that difficult was it? So let's talk about this perfectionism thing that's holding you back. So you always feel like there's something missing, I still need to do X in order for me to be ready. Right? Yeah. Do you have a specific example where this is currently happening?

Ale González 16:57

Well, I've been working with this for a long time already. But I think I still need to work with that. But yes, I think with the organization thing, it's, it's probably it's more with that, like, straw, I'm struggling more with that. Because it's a I never feel like prepare enough to start to do and to go start with a client and make that work. And always like, I'm always feeling like, No, I'm not gonna be like, ready. And if she asked me something, or if he asked me something, I am not gonna know how to answer. And I've been working with that. And like, letting myself not know the answer. Like if I'm a human, and it's okay, if I don't know him, or with a making, like, course, because I also love the moon and the faces and how to work with the faces with the moon. And I'm also doing a course about the moon. And it's like, no, it's missing something. It's not complete enough, even though it has already a lot of information on it. And it's always like, I'm not ready, like, how am I going to do this? Or is it enough? Also that like, most of the times, I think, like most of the things I do are never enough.

Martina Fink 18:13

Yeah, thank you for sharing this. Can you recall a situation in your life where something that you did was not enough? Like any situation, in the past, something you experienced earlier in your life?

Ale González 18:28

I cannot remember right now, but I do remember one thing that happened, like, not long ago, if I can share that, it was I was telling my dad, like, I'm doing this course. And I'm preparing these things because I wanna, you know, like, work with this and, and do these things that I have been working with that I know how to tell people how to do it. And he was like, Oh, yeah, but you better know exactly everything you're going to present. Because I mean, you're gonna teach it and I was like, I know where it came from. I mean, it's not that I'm saying it is my father's fault, because like, that's the way he grew up. But I know where my my feeling comes from that. It doesn't have to be perfect. It like if something's missing. Well, I'm human, of course, I'm going to be prepared. Of course, I'm going to study first. But I don't know. Like, I don't have to be it doesn't have to be perfect. I don't need to be perfect in order to do that.

Martina Fink 19:24

Yeah. And there's always the logical mind. Like, what you're telling me now is like, I don't need to be perfect. You know, I'm human. I can figure this out. When someone asks me a question, I will find the answer. And then there's also your somatic body, your energetic body that has experiences from the past that you're carrying around with you like that gray feeling that you had, it's probably part of your dad's weight on your shoulder that's telling you this is what you need to do. And I would assume that you're feeling this way, not just since that conversation, right? You probably felt like this to all your entire life. Right, yeah. So currently you are carrying around these beliefs that your dad has, which he has from his dad or from his parents and they had from their parents, right. And so, exactly, you get to choose that you don't want to buy into this. And as much as we love and respect our parents, and, you know, we may or may not agree with what they believe in, you have this choice to break this cycle and say, You know what, I'm just gonna click unsubscribe to this belief. It's easier said than done, for sure. But consciously say, you know what, thank you, dad. But this is not helpful for me. And I know that I am enough. So what do you think would be helpful for you to kind of cut that cord that is still connected to your dad in his beliefs, which are also your beliefs at the moment.

Ale González 20:59

I'm actually working with that, because, like, I'm working with myself about that. And it's something that I want to work with people like to tell them to break that. And you don't have to believe everything your parents, like, believe or whatever. And it's something that I want to work with other people. So actually, like, now I have like tools that I learned from the Access Consciousness thing. That is everything that you are conscious, that is not yours, you just destroyed and say, it's not mine, I give it back to the sender. And that's his idea. That's his belief. It's not mine. And I don't want to, I don't want to keep carrying that believe with me. So that's what I'm currently doing. Like being conscious about the situation of courses. It still pisses me off sometimes, because he's like, stop telling me that like, it's not, it's not going to help. But I know, he's not making that to make me feel bad. He's just like, his the way his brain works.

Martina Fink 22:06

Right.. It sounds like what you are working on is kind of changed things in your energetics and in your beliefs. And like, like I said, like cutting those cords and just take ownership of what you believe. Have you thought about having a conversation with him?

Martina Fink 22:23

Oh, I already did.

Martina Fink 22:24

Okay.

Ale González 22:25

Like, not once, like many, many times, but now I'm, I'm not like attached to that. Because I because I've been I've done that so many times that I right now. It's just like, okay, that I love you. But there's like a limit between this and like, like, between you and me with these things. So yeah, I don't fight against that anymore.

Martina Fink 22:48

Beautiful. So you feel like it's no longer affecting you what he says.

Ale González 22:52

In a way does, but now I'm conscious about it. So now I'm aware that I can tell him or me, not him. But just in my mind, I can say like, okay, that's not mine. I don't have to carry,

Martina Fink 23:04

Right. How does it make you feel when he tells you what to do?

Ale González 23:09

Well, sometimes it makes me feel like worthless, because he's like that. This is the thing I want to do, instead of saying that you can just support me and say, okay, like Kip starting, or how can I help you with? And it's just but it's that feeling that makes me feel like, it's not going to be it's not going to end? Okay, that it has like this heavy weight on my shoulders?

Martina Fink 23:34

Do you feel angry about it? or frustrated? or anything like that?

Ale González 23:39

Yeah, frustrated sometimes. Yeah.

Martina Fink 23:41

And I assume you have already told him the kind of support you need from him.

Ale González 23:46

I think I did. I don't recall like, the exact moment. But I like I remember like, saying to him something about, I'm trying to change this part of me to please, if you don't agree, or you don't understand, just please be quiet. I don't need you to understand I just need you to accept me the way that I'm trying to move on.

Martina Fink 24:08

Yes. Okay. So potentially, there might be an opportunity here for you to express the kind of support you desire, because one thing is to just have him shut up and not say anything. And another thing is, hey, me, Ali, I would love some support from you, Dad, can you please encourage me, you know, tell me, I'm great. Like, give me compliments, whatever it is that you need. And there's no right or wrong here. But I do know that people like you and I Who are you know, have a tendency for perfectionism and want to be like, look like we have it all together all the time may struggle with asking for help and saying, you know, I actually need some support here.

Ale González 24:55

Yes. Yeah, of course definitely is something that I've been struggling with.

Martina Fink 25:01

Yeah, I understand

Ale González 25:02

No, no, just about the thing that you say like asking for her for help. It's so hard for me.

Martina Fink 25:10

Why?

Ale González 25:11

I don't know. It's just, I think the way you said it describes it perfectly, because you want to look like, like, everything's perfect even though you know, it's not asking for help. I don't know, sometimes I don't like to ask for help, because I don't like people to like to worry about me. Because I by always seem like, at the end, I'm not I know, I'm going to be okay. At the end, I know, I'm gonna, I'm gonna find a solution to this problem. Again, I'm not I'm gonna go through this by myself. But it doesn't have to be like that all the time. And that's why I think I, I have like issues like asking for help.

Martina Fink 25:58

Yeah. And we always do certain things, because we benefit from them in a certain way. So there is some sort of a benefit for you to not ask for help. Does that make sense? Like, there is something that you're getting out of this, that you're not asking for help? What do you think that is?

Ale González 26:18

I think it's like, proving myself that I can do anything by myself that I'm capable to do it without any help. And why is that important? Because of the thing that I told you before about, like feeling worthless or feeling bad? Everything I do is not it's not? It's not that it's not perfect, but I'm not. I'm never, I never feel ready. So I think that it's like something that I say to myself that, okay, prove to yourself that you can do that. And you're gonna like, feel like you are worth it or feel like you can do this or feel, I don't know, like this kind of feelings that are just like proving myself the other way around that. I feel sometimes.

Martina Fink 27:12

Yeah. And is it more about you feeling like, oh, now I've done this, now I feel worthy, or is it that now that you've done this, you get approval from other people? And other people are actually, like, proud of you and supportive?

Ale González 27:27

Well, not really, because when I go through things, most of the times I don't tell people anything. I'm like a very, not lonely person. But I like to keep my stuff to myself and the people that maybe my family, but not even then sometimes. So it's just that I know I'm capable of, but I don't even like, I think Yeah, sometimes I actually I actually looked for the approval of my dad, like I did this. So you can see now that I, I could do it. And I don't know I'm capable.

Martina Fink 27:59

What does it look like when he approves of you look like or feel like or?

Ale González 28:05

I have this feeling of? It's weird, because I know it. Like it shouldn't be like that, just like saying something. But it feels like, finally he had he sees me. Or he's not that he doesn't. But it's like this feeling like or he realizes that I'm capable of everything I want and he didn't think of.

Martina Fink 28:31

So almost like you have to prove to him that you are good enough.

Ale González 28:35

Exactly, yeah.

Martina Fink 28:37

Interesting. And I would love to go deeper into your relationship with your dad and kind of understand how that how it came to this point. Because I feel like there would be a lot more to uncover. But the thing I want to also bring to your awareness is that feeling of like you said, when you prove yourself that you're capable of doing something, then you feel worthy. So how I understand is that you connect your worthiness with your accomplishments. Would you say that this is true?

Ale González 29:09

Yeah.

Martina Fink 29:10

So in that case, you will only feel worthy of whatever work you're going to do with all these projects, once you accomplish them. And my question for you is, how can you feel worthy as you are right now?

Ale González 29:25

Well, as I said before, I've been working with this like, for like, almost four years. So I obviously I have some struggles that I need to work more on. But now, I mean, there that's a one part of me feeling worthy of accomplishing this part of my life. But now, like I feel worthy when I listen to myself when I give time to myself, when I take some time to feel what I'm feeling, and if I don't feel good, I like stop everything and I put myself first. That's how I feel feel worthy, like, these times?

Martina Fink 30:04

Beautiful? So are you only stopping and prioritizing yourself when you're not feeling quote unquote good? Or is that something that you do every day?

Ale González 30:14

It's something that I do every day, I try to do it every day, every morning, I, the first, probably one hour, two hours of the day, I gave those hours to myself. It's just the things I want to do. The things that make me feel good, and the things that are going to make me feel good through the day, like changing my mindset, or Yeah, doing all this, this kind of stuff that it's, it's good for me like, it's good to do it for myself.

Martina Fink 30:42

What do you think is really holding you back?

Ale González 30:44

with the business thing?

Martina Fink 30:48

Yeah.

Ale González 30:48

I think it's that that I, I know what it is, like, I started interior design. But then I love interior design, and I love doing that. But now my, the thing I want to do is completely different to that. And because I don't have like a career, or I didn't study that, like, professionally, I'm afraid that people are not going to work with me. But this is something that I tell to myself, every time I think of this and is like Yeah, well, you didn't go to university to study that. Would you have been studying it for four years because of your experience? So it's like, it's almost the four years of one career one, like going to university or whatever. So I think sometimes is that that I don't know, anywhere in the world is like the same, but here in my country is like you are worth your career, your car degree, everything. So that's probably somehow something that it's holding me back.

Martina Fink 31:52

Yeah, I understand that. And the question is, you know, are you just going to roll with it? And continue to tell yourself, you know, I know enough. And I know, I'm worthy. And I know I have the knowledge? Or are you going into the direction of you know, what, actually some sort of is certification, or course what really helped me, I'm sharing this because for me, when I first started, I was still a couple, many years ago, I was still doing makeup, I was teaching makeup courses, I was doing workshops, and talking all about beauty. And I started noticing that so many people needed more support with like confident things and inner things and, you know, lifestyle stuff, and not just beauty and makeup. And I didn't know, like I could have read all the books and all the things. But for me, it was like, I would love to actually learn how to be a proper coach and how to, you know, just have more knowledge. And I did that for myself, because I felt like if I can properly learn that it would be really good for me it was less for for me personally was less about having a certification that can prove to others that I did it. But I knew I had to take the certification for me because I knew that going through that it would give me a lot of confidence. And in that case, it was a it was a decision for me out of love knowing that when I do this, I will feel really good because I have the knowledge and my backpack, right? And so for you, my question would just be are you not doing anything? Like? Are you now starting career in that? Because you truly feel like you know enough? Or are you or would you just do it so that you can have some sort of a certification to prove to others that you have done this?

Ale González 33:36

I wouldn't do it for the second day. Like I wouldn't do it for the Yeah, like for other people to look at me and see Oh, and she has a degree, definitely. It's just black. So like I said, it's it was and it is because I wanna learn more to be better with me and with other people with me and my family and my friends because I wanna, like, I want to help and I want to bring this awareness into my life and try to help other people. So it's, it's also because I want to be a better person.

Martina Fink 34:11

So then why does it mean so much to you? what other people think that you don't have a career?

Ale González 34:18

I don't know. It's I think it's one belief that I have like really, really, really deep down in my body like attached there, that I need to let it out and let it go. And I because it's not working for me anymore.

Martina Fink 34:31

Yeah. How can you let that go?

Ale González 34:33

I think that just trusting in what I know now I'm telling myself that I can help people and keep learning and then help more people and keep learning. like not even like finished studying in a year or two years. Like, I really like learning about different topics and everything. So I think it's going to be a part of me that it's going to always They're like always taking courses, always learning something new. So I think just embracing that part.

Martina Fink 35:08

Yes. always learn new things. And you already know enough to. Yeah, I want you to repeat after me and then you finish the sentence, I want you to repeat, I am ready now to and then you start like whatever you're gonna say all the things you're ready for. Okay?

Ale González 35:23

Okay.

Martina Fink 35:24

Okay. I am ready now to,

Ale González 35:27

I am ready now to start a business where I can help other people to bring awareness into their lives, ready to help other people to feel good with themselves. I'm ready to let go everything but it's not helping me anymore. I'm ready to feel that I'm worth it. I'm ready to let know other people that I know enough to help them. I'm ready to start with this now.

Martina Fink 36:00

Amazing. How does that feel? Did it feel like you actually believed yourself?

Ale González 36:05

Yes.

Martina Fink 36:07

Amazing. So we have so many stories in our minds that we keep telling ourselves like, I'm not ready, I need to do X before I can do that. And in those moments, whenever these thoughts come up, because they will, I want you to tell yourself, I am ready now. And maybe you need some sort of like a post it note on your computer, on your bathroom mirror on the door that's behind you. And like you see it several times a day that you are ready now because it's a very typical thing for perfectionist to think I still need to do this before I can be ready, I still need to learn this before I can be ready. And so with that belief, you will never be ready because you're you believe you're not ready now. And so now is the only time we have. And when you can tell yourself, I am ready now. It is a really powerful thing.

Ale González 37:00

Yeah, for sure.

Martina Fink 37:01

The last thing I want to say to you, as someone who you know, has a certification and has worked with hundreds of people at this point. Nobody has ever asked me for it. Like literally nobody. And it is on my website. If you go look in detail, you will find it there. But people don't care about necessarily about what you have studied. They care about the energy that you emit. So I want you to embody what you teach, I want you to live what you teach, I want you to be a role model and live by example. So that it's no longer, you know, kind of us selling other people that you are doing home organizations, it is that they already know because they see it all over the place. Because that's who you are. It's not what you do. It's who you are. So the question and maybe that's like, my homework for you is to how can you embody everything that you teach? How can you be that instead of just do that as your job, and you might already be that, but you might not truly show that side of you.

Ale González 38:15

I mean, just I can be that reminding to myself every day, every morning, like I most of the times do, but there's like, there's something there that what I mean, like I'm capable. And I know like deep down. I know I'm capable, and I can help other people. But it's just like reminded me every day that as you say like, I'm worth it, I'm ready to do it. It's not that I'm going to stop here about why I've learned. But for now it's enough. And day by day, I'm going to keep studying more and more and more and more. But for now today, it is enough.

Martina Fink 38:56

Beautiful. Well done. What would you say is your biggest lesson from this session? Your biggest learning

Ale González 39:03

That I know that I have what I need already within me.

Martina Fink 39:09

Yeah. Beautiful. You absolutely have everything you need. You are so enough, you know everything you need to know. You just need to truly believe in yourself. And know that with every day that you're holding yourself back. You're not helping the people that actually need your help.

Ale González 39:30

Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Martina Fink 39:33

Thank you so much for being so brave and sharing so much of your personal life and experiences with us. I wish you all the best for your business. I'm so excited to see more of what you do and how you do it and who you are on on your social media in particular, which we will also link in the show notes. Is there any final words that you would like to say to everyone listening

Ale González 40:00

Well, first of all, thank you for having me. And thank you for all your comments and your questions and everything. And well, something that I would like to say to everyone is that I discover every day is the answer. You're looking for is already within you just need to look within.

Martina Fink 40:21

Beautiful, beautiful and take that advice for yourself and look for that answer with everything that you're struggling with in your business and just know that you're really the only person that can give you the answers. Thank you so much. I am so grateful to have had this conversation with LA and help her see that she is so enough and so ready and so worthy right now without another course another certification or having or needing to have more knowledge. If you are struggling with a similar situation where you're feeling overwhelmed where you're controlling or you're stressed out and you feel like you have a low self worth and some kind of negative self talk at times and are struggling with perfectionism. You really want to go grab your self care guide for perfectionist in the show notes below. If you need support with any of this please feel free to reach out to me for support you can reach me on instagram or facebook at Martina glows or if you are on my website we can also get in touch with the contact form it would mean the world to me if you left us a review for this episode if this has been helpful for you. And if it has inspired you to live in even more glowing life for yourself. Follow the glow life podcast on iTunes and Spotify and for everything we mentioned in today's episode, you can go check out the show notes at Martina Fink comm slash podcast slash 138. If there is a somebody that you absolutely love that really needs to listen to this episode, please forward it to them right now. Thank you so much for being here today and for caring for yourself so deeply because what you do for yourself is going to impact every single soul that you touch. You deserve to feel glowing and confident. Beautiful.


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#137 Self-Compassion for Perfectionists with Jessica Oschwald

 
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As a high achieving woman in today's western world, it is so easy to get sucked into the fast paced lifestyle of work, success, full schedules, and not much free time. This often results in you sleeping through the entire weekend, cancelling plans with friends, and feeling frustrated with yourself.

Jessica is one of my lovely clients who, over the past year, has implemented simple, but life-transforming changes in her lifestyle to quit overwhelm, raise her self-compassion, and put her own needs and desires first: to teach Yoga again.

Jessica Oschwald is a psychologist by training and a certified vinyasa Yoga teacher (350h). In 2018, she accomplished her PhD and subsequently a PostDoc at the University of Zurich, where she specialised in the cognitive neuroscience of healthy ageing. Today, she works as a data scientist in personalized healthcare and is based in London, UK.

Jessica shares her passion through The Mindful Lab, where it is her mission to make the ancient teachings of Yoga blended with insights from modern science accessible to everyone who wants to slow down, and live a more mindful and purposeful life.

IN TODAY’S EPISODE, WE TALK ABOUT:

  • How to not freak out when things don't go as planned

  • Why being part of a community helps you feel less alone

  • How to lower the expectations you have of yourself

  • How to meet new likeminded people while working from home

  • The key to being compassionate with yourself

  • How to put yourself first and not always be available for everyone and everything

  • Why you are in the right place right now

  • How to authentically be yourself again

And so much more!

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Martina Fink 0:00

This is episode number 137 with Jessica Oschwald. Welcome to the glow life podcast. The one and only place for ambitious, high achieving and perfectionist women like you who want to leave, overwhelm behind. Turn self doubt into self confidence and learn to trust yourself again, so that you can work less fully love and accept yourself and live a fulfilled and glowing life. Every week, I'll be giving you tips and inspiration on how to think less, feel more slow down can use your body and your daily habits to help you step up, level up and glow up in all areas of your life. This is not just about the big shifts, you can glow just a little more every single day.

Martina Fink 1:01

Welcome back to the glow life podcast. And today I have a glow tip for you that is all about checking in with yourself. One of the things we talked about in today's episode is overloading our schedules and having too many things and too many appointments and too many things that will lead we believe we have to do for others on our calendar. And I want you to make sure that you don't run into the same thing. And maybe you already are in that place where you are constantly over scheduling yourself and you end up feeling exhausted and tired on the weekend, then this is for you. So what I want you to do is ask yourself two questions. Question number one. First of all, you are going to open back up your calendar and you're gonna just take a look at what is in there, whether that's something you have in your computer, or you have it on your phone or you have it in your actual piece of paper agenda, whatever it is for you. Take a look at what is up for the week. What do you have scheduled for this week? Question number one, how does it feel? Do you already get a feeling of oh my goodness, I will never get to the end of this week. I'm already stressed out just by seeing all these appointments. Or does it feel like oh, this feels really good. I have enough time for myself. I'm going to get a massage. I have some time for self care. I'm talking to my friends. What is the number one a feeling that comes up when you look at your calendar? Second question for you is what can I change about this? What can I add to it? What can I cancel? For it to feel better? Right? So maybe if it's feeling overwhelming, what you have planned for the week, what can you change? What can you reschedule? What can you cancel? Where can you add in some time for you something where you can recharge something that nourishes you. If it feels like an empty, quote unquote, empty week, and it feels really good, then what else can you add to make you feel better? What else can you do to nourish yourself, or to help someone else or to strengthen your relationships? Okay, take a look at your calendar, see how it feels, and then see what you can change about it. Because the most important thing is that whatever the feeling you have, you get to own that and you get to take the responsibility for changing it. If it doesn't feel good. Nobody else can change it for you unless you do. And now I'm really excited to bring on Jessica who is one of my clients we've worked together for about a year now and Jessica is a psychologist by training and she's also a certified vinyasa yoga teacher. And in 2018 she accomplished her PhD and subsequently a postdoc at the University of Zurich in Switzerland, where she specialized in the cognitive neuroscience of healthy aging. Today, she works as a data scientist in personalized health care, and is based in London. Jessica shares her passion for healthy living and mindfulness in the yoga lab, where it is her mission to make the ancient teachings of yoga blended with insights from modern science accessible to everyone who wants to slow down and live a more mindful and purposeful life, aka the girl life. So in today's episode, we talk about how to not freak out when things don't go as planned. Why being part of a community helps you feel less alone. How to lower the expectations that you have of yourself How to meet new like minded people while working from home. The key to being compassionate with yourself, how to put yourself first and not always be available for everyone and everything. Why you are in the right place right now? And how to authentically Be yourself again, and so much more. And you can find everything we talked about today in the show notes at Martina Fink comm slash podcast slash 137. Welcome Jessica. I am so grateful to have you on the podcast today.

Jessica Oschwald 5:37

Hi, Martina, I'm so grateful to be here. Thank you for inviting me.

Martina Fink 5:43

We have been working together for about a year now i would say.

Jessica Oschwald 5:48

It's crazy. It's already a year, it seems like it was just yesterday.

Martina Fink 5:54

I know it's wild. And I remember kind of what your life looked like a year ago. And then you have been in a couple of my different programs. And we've worked on a lot of the perfectionist things for you as well. And the high expectations and the really, really busy life. But can you give us a short introduction around like what your lifestyle looked like a year ago?

Jessica Oschwald 6:17

So I remember that. I joined your first program. I think that was like a free program before COVID started. So my life looked completely different anyways,

Martina Fink 6:30

yes.

Jessica Oschwald 6:32

I can give you an idea. So I had just moved jobs, I had moved countries. So I had a big change. In my entire life. I moved from Switzerland to London, moved into a new flat started in you work and everything was so different. So I felt a bit lost. I remember. And I also had a lot of expectations how this time abroad should be. And then yeah, I wanted to do so many things in London. I mean, it's a really cool city, you you have so many options. But then the reality was that I commuted every day to work. And that took me I think in total, almost three hours. And then I was just tired. When I came home in the evenings, I cooked maybe sometimes I had takeout. But that's it. So my life looked a bit different than the expectations that I had. And I it was like a month of really intense of a really intense time where I actually felt quite overwhelmed by everything that was new around me. And then COVID hit. And I think that's the point where I then decided to join your programs more regularly. So I don't even remember what I what programs I joined. And where there were several. So I think it was cloaker foundations. But then also, I think very central for me was the perfectionist rehab program, which also really helped me to deal with those expectations.

Martina Fink 8:12

Yeah. So why are what are certain expectations that you had? You said, you had expectations of what this time should look like that you're abroad? What did these expectations look like?

Jessica Oschwald 8:24

Yeah, I think it was on one hand that I would meet so many new people. And I already had some friends who lived in London. So I had people around me, but it's not that easy to meet new people in a big city. And then I also didn't really feel like it. Because on the weekend I was tired. And then everything that I want to do if I want to go to dinner with a friend, I have to drive through the city for an hour or two. And it's so different than in Switzerland. So you don't just go to dinner or you just go to your yoga studio or to sports. It's all in whilst we have a lot of time. And in my mind, I would do go to theaters go to museums go to my yoga studio and whatever. But in reality, I've maybe did one of those things. And I think that's that's not a problem at all right, like now looking back. I think it was a great time. But I didn't really enjoy it as much as I could have.

Martina Fink 9:31

Yeah, and also what you mentioned about meeting new people, we have this illusion of how easy it would be to just meet new people and it will be so you know, fun and effortless but also like if we're honest or at our age and at our stage of personal development, it becomes more and more difficult to meet people that you actually align with because there's just so many people and then a big chunk of the majority of people They're not really self aware. They're just living like robots and machines, you know, just going to work just coming home sleeping, eating, working, repeating. Like, that's what I used to do. And I know that's what you used to do to like, just working like, that's all we do, right. And so it becomes more and more challenging to actually meet new people that you align with and that you love and that you can have deep conversations with, because your own expectations of what friendships should be have also changed.

Jessica Oschwald 10:31

Yeah, for sure. And you also have this expectation of friendship that you know, from, from the friends you maybe have over the years. And that's so different from new friendships that you form in a new country, where you're also just like learning how everything works. So it can be equally great, but it's just different. And so I think, yeah, my my expected, I think the problem was really like the expectations I had then didn't match my reality. And that made me feel lost, and also a bit disappointed sometimes of myself.

Martina Fink 11:08

Yeah, because you want something and you don't get it. like that. Nobody likes that.

Jessica Oschwald 11:11

Yeah. And it got worse when COVID started, obviously, because then I couldn't do any of those things anymore. And I asked myself, why did I even come here? Why, why? Why am I here? So I moved for a job. But now I'm working from home. And I think, yeah, now that I look back, I see it as it enormous opportunity. Because I had a year of time for self development, I actually met new people, maybe not in the way that I expected. But I met so many great women in your community as well, that I aligned with and that I still meet regularly, at least some of them and even with one with pa for example. I was on a podcast recently. So we created something together. So there are connections forming that, that our friendships, but also, you know, even more that, that you just get creative together. Yeah, before,

Martina Fink 12:12

it's so beautiful. And I I've experienced that myself in programs that I'm in and I was in that I connect with people on such a different level, because you are on a similar stage of your personal development of you know, you have similar ways that you view life. And it's one of the biggest parts of all of my programs is community. And I don't know, you can see my picture in the background. And my office is, it's like a group hug from one of my retreats. And it's one of my favorite picture. Because it's so special when we come together as women and we nurture each other, and hold the space for each other. And we show each other that we are there to support and also just there to listen. And besides like creating beautiful friendships, how has the community aspect of the programs that you were in specifically perfectionist rehab, how has that support at you in your on your journey,

Jessica Oschwald 13:14

I think that was a really big part of the journey, I can just compare it to the first program I joined with you that was, you know, less interactive, where we completed modules, or maybe we listen to some x, or we did some exercises like meditation. And that was really great as well. And it was an introduction for me. But then, really, like, the big difference in perfectionist rehab was that people were there to hold you accountable, but also to support you when you had a bad day. You can always ask someone a question. And you're you you're just never alone. So you're not alone on that journey. And that makes you so much more powerful. So I think it's it's like, for me, it's like, almost the biggest part of self development is is also sharing it with others. And that's something that that you wouldn't expect, because self development sounds like it's just centered on you. And you're just doing something on your own. But that's that's not really the case. I think it's really important to have a community of like minded women around.

Martina Fink 14:32

Yeah, I agree. And the the community aspect is so key because we always feel like with our suffering and with our pain and with our problems, we are the only one in the entire world and nobody will understand us. And then when you come into a program like rehab, where which is about perfectionism, so you have all other women who are struggling with the very same things like the things you mentioned, of being so exhausted on the weekend, and overworking yourself, and not having time to meet new friends and just being tired all the time, like you realize that you're not the only one and that there are so many other women who are going through the same thing. And that makes you empowered, and you're like, Oh, I'm not the only one. So that makes me feel like I belong to a group of women that are going through the same thing. And then together in this community, we can uplift each other, we always say like, we rise by lifting others. So as we lift others up, we ourselves can rise up to.

Jessica Oschwald 15:33

Yeah, I totally agree with that. I felt so many times that other women are actually sharing the same problem as me and I would have never expected that, like, often we just think we're alone. And we feel isolated with a problem. But actually, so many people are struggling with the same especially like with the, with this basically lifestyle that we all lead. I mean, that's just like a cultural thing as well. It's, it's something that we just live in, and it's really hard to, to like, be apart from it and not be influenced, like drawn into it too much. So if you just like work a nine to five job, you, you're oftentimes just you get stressed, and you feel overwhelmed. So so many people struggle with that. But the good thing is to know that, that doesn't have to be your real reality, you can step out of it.

Martina Fink 16:33

Absolutely. And it's harder to do that and don't want to say it's hard, because then we make it hard. But it is it is it takes a decision first. And it takes the realization that you are in control of what you create with your life and what you do with your life and how you spend your time. I always say we all have 24 hours and Person A might choose to spend 12 of these hours at work every day. Person B might choose to spend that Saturday morning working right? Person c might choose not to work past 6pm, person D might choose to take all weekends off or take like, you know, go on vacation every month or something like that. And, and you get to choose what you create. And the first step is always stepping out of this, oh, this is just what it is kind of victim mindset of like, this is our society. This is what successful women do. Like we just work hard, we make money we are like we can multitask. We can have a family and a career. Like we just kind of subscribe to these expectations. And we can just hit the unsubscribe button and say, You know what, this is not what I want to do I want I want a different reality. And I want to what I call the glowing life, I want to create that glow for myself and I own it. And a part of the ownership a part of the responsibility means that I have to accept that what I'm doing now is is not good.

Jessica Oschwald 18:07

Yeah, that's hard. I feel that's really hard. Because it's so much easier to blame. blame your stress on others, like typically we blame it on our work. We're just like, Okay, I'm so busy, I have so many tasks to do. But in reality, everyone is probably busy in your team. And if you look at people working with you, not everyone is stressed in the same way. So it is really a personal decision. And if you look at your life, you're probably doing many things that are not that enjoyable, but you just do them to please someone that is what I saw in in perfectionist rehab, a prog problem that many perfectionist and also myself a struggle with that you just feel like you want to accommodate everyone and you. And it's it's something that you feel it's a good thing, right? You're nice. But in the end, it can happen that you forget about yourself. And you just like get into all these things that you do on a daily basis. And maybe that wouldn't even be necessary, if you would ask for help. But it's hard to to do that to do that step.

Martina Fink 19:20

Yeah. And often when we please others, we do that at the expense of our own happiness. And well being right we overwork ourselves so that something at work gets finished. That means I am doing that but I'm cutting back on my sleep which is then harming me. So that's really where the whole like loving yourself piece comes in. of Am I doing something at the expense of my own peace and well being? Or am I doing something because I truly love and it's also nourishing for me.

Jessica Oschwald 19:54

Yeah, totally.

Martina Fink 19:57

I would love to know a little more about your life. Today, to how you like kind of like what your day to day looks like how you feel, what has changed in the past year for you?

Jessica Oschwald 20:10

Well, a lot has changed, actually. And I think, on a daily basis, I don't realize that but yeah, when I look back, and I really think about it, also now talking about how my life looked like a year ago, a lot has changed. And I think it's, it's more on the inside, even than on the outside. So, I mean, what has changed is that I actually started to teach yoga again, I'm a certified yoga teacher. Besides my job, I, I always was very, you know, in the yoga scene, and I loved to do yoga, because it was such a balance for me next to my very rational job being in science. And I used to teach yoga when I when I lived in Switzerland, just like one class a week. But when I moved countries, I gave that up. And I realized that this was a key factor. For me, this gave me so much and balanced, rational person that I am maybe on a daily basis, and had like, it just gives me this intuitive balance back. And I didn't know how to teach when I don't have a client basis. So actually, also through working with you, I got inspired to to start that passion again. And I started my own website, called the mindful lab and started to teach yoga class each week. The Rock the weekend yoga class. So that is really something that makes me super happy now and it gives me so much I love working with clients and, and teaching yoga and see how I can contribute that others feel a bit less stressed in their everyday life and more balanced as well. Hmm. So that's one thing that is a huge part for me.

Martina Fink 22:15

And I want to say your your your rock the weekend, yoga classes are so fun, because you have like your own style, and you have really fun, uplifting music. And I love the kind of vibe that you create. And we are totally linking everything in the show notes. Everyone wants a Saturday morning. Beautiful yoga class with Jessica, go check that out.

Jessica Oschwald 22:41

Thank you. So yeah, besides that, I think as I said, the change is more on the inside. So I feel that I am just in general, I'm more compassionate with myself. And more loving So I love that you What do you always say like that you should do things out of love and not out of fear. That little sentence helped me a lot. So I try to really think of that in my everyday life. It doesn't always work out. I mean, it's it's a journey. So I don't feel like I'm My life is now perfect. But it just helps me to bounce back when I'm in a situation where I stress myself by setting high expectations. And maybe I feel like I need to finish this work today. But it could be that I can also finish it another day. So I just tried to step back in such situations and tell myself, it's okay, you're doing your best and that's fine. It's enough. And, and actually it is most of the time. So that is a huge step, I think a huge change for me. And then yeah, I also started having a regular morning routine again. So that is something I used to have. But somehow with all the moving I just completely lost that. So I started doing yoga again in the morning. And my routine is not super long or anything but it's just consistent and sometimes I also change what I do, but I know that I get up like half an hour or sometimes even just 15 minutes earlier at a yoga or meditation. Or I go for a walk to some journaling, whatever I feel like that day and it's really like a game changer. I feel that really sets you up for for an entire day. Absolutely.

Martina Fink 24:49

I recently have to go to the grocery store and then early morning like nine o'clock or something for me, like I literally woke up went to the grocery store. I came home feeling so stressed out, because there were all these people. And I didn't do my morning practice before. But I'm just saying this because the most important relationship is the one that we have with ourselves. And when we don't create the time and space for that, what happens is that we start relating to all kinds of other people, and that affect the relation effects and relationship that we have with ourselves. And so I'm so happy you got back into it. And I just want to say, just like you said, it's not about how long it is, it's not about the longer the better. It's just about the consistency and consistently showing up for yourself, which then the fact that you did that resulted in you being more compassionate in your everyday life, like in something that's related to work, it's not because your work ethic has changed or anything like that. It's because of the relationship that you have started establishing with yourself with those tiny chunks of time on a daily basis.

Jessica Oschwald 26:00

Yeah, totally. Yeah, this whole aspect of being compassionate with myself. It also shows for example, in the morning routine. So as an example, I think it was two days ago, I really woke up and I didn't feel well, so I was super sleepy, and I could have stayed in bed forever. I think we all have those days. So called being compassionate with myself was then not getting up and doing my 15 minutes, sweaty yoga routine. But I rolled out of bed and I took my blanket, wrapped it around me and just did a meditation of 10 minutes. And that's it. That was my morning routine. So it's viewed, I think being compassionate is also being flexible, and adjusting to the situation because you can't always be perfect. That was something I used to have before also like having high expectations of always having to do yoga in the morning for so and so long. Because I'm a yoga teacher, right? So I should do that. But yeah, who tells you that you used to do that.

Martina Fink 27:08

And I love that you've you've learned to listen to your body and listen to what it means whether that's a meditation and you're tired, whether that's a sweaty yoga session, like you know what's best for you. And that requires some radical honesty, because you have to break those expectations that you thought you needed to meet. Yeah, was there I would love to hear if there was any specific situation that you came across in the past few weeks, where you notice, oh, I'm actually reacting differently to this than I used to in the past?

Jessica Oschwald 27:44

Yeah, that's a good question. I think there were many situations, I'm just trying to think of like a specific one. One example was maybe when I talked Well, when I had set up a call with a friend. And usually, like, I'm very committed to the things I say that I will do. So usually, then I show up, despite maybe feeling tired or anything. So you know, life is always a bit different. And you plan so and I remember on that day, just so many things came in between. and I felt like I just I just really feel not don't feel like having another call. I mean, you're on zoom calls all day now. And sometimes I'm just overwhelmed by this. And so I asked to shift that call. It sounds like a very simple thing to do. But it is for me a big step. Because it's a bit it's a different reaction. I think normally I would be like, hey, it's just a phone call, you can do this. And I would push myself. But that way, I'm not serving myself. And I'm not serving my friend either. Because who wants to talk to someone who is tired, who doesn't really want to listen to you? It's just but I feel that yeah, it's something I used to do more often in the past, just like pushing myself to do things, maybe also go on appointments, that I didn't feel like, and it was not about the person I was meeting It was really more I was just tired. Um, and now I do that more often that I take a step back first and think about Do I really feel like going? Yeah, I allow myself to, to also shift appointments.

Martina Fink 29:36

Yeah. And really the people that we love, they deserve us in our best shape like we want when we meet them. We want to be there for them. We want to be present. We want to listen, we want to support right? We don't want to come with like 10% of our energy left. That would be so unfair.

Jessica Oschwald 29:53

Yeah, I totally agree. And, and that is, I think it's something many people struggle with actually I think it is. It is Kind of an expectation we all have of each other that we are 100% available all the time on our phones, like always texting back, always being available to call always being available to meet up. And just saying I am tired today, it's not really an accepted excuse. Right? Like many people feel like I can't say that I need to come up with something else, like something came in between. But I think it's a really good excuse, because that means you love your respect and love the other person as well, because you want to give them your full attention.

Martina Fink 30:38

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I would love to know from you how you define your glowing life?

Jessica Oschwald 30:45

I think I would say two things. One is definitely really taking care of myself of my body. So I like to move my body every day in some way. It doesn't have to be crazy. I like to eat healthy. So recently, I've gotten addicted to green smoothies. Yes. addiction, inspired by you actually. I kind of stopped doing that for a while. And then I think on a more Maybe, yeah, like spiritual or psychological level, just being true to yourself. Yeah, stepping up for yourself as much as you can. And sometimes you it's not possible. But I'm working on that is for me, really a glowing life. So I feel like when you can really be yourself in any situation, then that really means happiness.

Martina Fink 31:48

I agree. And it's so interesting how you say, like several things that you've mentioned in this episode is that you used to do that in the past, and then you stopped. And yeah, I'm assuming you stopped because work got in the way. And like, there, it was just so busy and so much pressure. And, and I'm so happy to hear that you got all these things back into place, like your morning routine here smoothies, that Yoga is part of your life that you're teaching it like, that's really what we're trying to do. And in perfections rehab is like getting at getting you out of this life where you are doing things for others or because you believe you have to or because there is expectations and really bringing you back into the place where you are just you like where you are just almost like that younger version of you that was so happy and playful. And you know, just did all the things that she loved and like getting you back into that state.

Jessica Oschwald 32:43

Yeah, it's it's good that you mentioned the younger version of you. Because I think that is also something I connected more with in the past year, just because we had more time as well to, to spend by ourselves. So I started doing things again, I love to do as a child. And that was also, for example, I always love to write, I used to write stories. And now I don't really write stories anymore. But I love journaling. And I love to write blog posts, which I do now on my website. So if I just started doing, again, what I love. And I don't know why, you know, sometimes life gets in the way, and you stop doing that as you grow up. But the important thing is you can always pick that back up, no matter how old you are. Yeah,

Martina Fink 33:39

I think the reason why we forget it is because we're so busy in this hamster wheel that's just turning and turning and turning. And we don't take those five minutes a day to check in with ourselves to actually ask ourselves, how am I feeling? How am I feeling about the work that I'm doing? How am I feeling about the people I'm with, we're not checking in, we're just kind of on the treadmill going, going going never stops, right? And then you don't have time to actually think about it. And specifically today with like social media and phones and notifications and emails and computers and all of that we're bombarded with information from the outside. So it becomes more and more difficult to actually find that peace within. And just be quiet to listen because there's so much noise in the outside, going on.

Jessica Oschwald 34:27

Yeah, and we we somehow don't feel comfortable anymore to stop. I realized that it's scary. That's an addiction, you know that you're always entertained. I see that myself like, it's, it's really nice to just look into your phone when you're bored. If it's something really calming, but that's not great because you never get the space to actually be bored and just be silent. And that's the time where you are most inspired and where you actually can connect to yourself. So I think by like, by connecting to our phones, and by being connected all the time, it's like we're disconnecting from ourselves.

Martina Fink 35:10

Absolutely. And the word inspired comes from in spirit. So like, when we take when we are inspired, it's because our, it's almost like our spirit guides or higher self, whatever is coming through. But when we don't take that time, we cannot be inspired. Like, there's absolutely no way that you can be inspired by spending five hours on your phone every day, unless you actually do something that connects you with your soul and your spirit. But um, that's really interesting. And we need to connect more with ourselves and not so much with all these other people.

Jessica Oschwald 35:47

Yeah, tell me. And I think many people have done that. This year. Yeah. Talking to others, I often hear that they discovered something they love doing. So I think it's a great opportunity. Of course, I also hope that we can soon travel again and, and go to restaurants and bars. But you know, I think it also had like a good side.

Martina Fink 36:11

Yeah. And it's because we perceive to have more time, most people are like, Oh, now I have more time, because I'm working from home. Now I can actually do the things but it's really just a matter, it was probably a matter of a couple of weeks. And they were back in their routines of like not having time because of the mindset of I never have time for the things I love. And so for those of you listening, who have been able to connect with something that you love in the past year, make sure that now that's were opening back up and travel will start again and restaurants are open, like make sure that you keep that connection, because it will be so easy to snap back out of it and be back in your old habits. And it's a gift that we've been able to have so much more time for ourselves because of people not having to commute for example.

Jessica Oschwald 37:02

Yeah. I mean, for everyone who is working a home office job like me, of course, I know that, you know, everyone in the health care sector, working at the front has had a really hard time. So I'm just speaking like for people like me, of course who were privileged enough to stay at home.

Martina Fink 37:22

Yes, yes. Now I have a couple quick questions before we wrap up, Jessica. What is your favorite smoothie?

Jessica Oschwald 37:32

That's easy. I love green smoothies. Yeah, usually I just, I actually just put up a blog post today on my favorite smoothie recipe and it overlaps very much with with your green smoothie recipe I realized just that I like I usually don't. I really add a lot of greens. I'm not sure if that is everyone's taste, but I usually add like spinach and cucumber, and different Herbes ginger, some water, and then only a little bit of fruit, maybe like a bit of apple or some other fruit. Whatever sweet fruit you have around.

Martina Fink 38:19

And we will link your smoothie in the in the show notes. And I mean, I did not invent the green smoothie at all.

Jessica Oschwald 38:28

No, but I find it so funny, you know, because it is. You see so many recipes out there. Sometimes I get confused. And I actually I feel like I've developed this one over over time. Because I feel like it needs to be easy. And you need to have the ingredients at home. And sometimes those smoothies have stuff that you just don't find. So I think it is like a practical smoothie recipe. So I found it funny that we actually use similar.

Martina Fink 38:58

Yeah, yeah. simple and quick, for sure. What are three things that you are grateful for today, Jessica?

Jessica Oschwald 39:08

Um, three things. So one is for sure to be on your podcast. I feel really honored. After working with you. For this past year. I, of course, also listen to the podcast and I've been really enjoying it. So it's a pleasure to be here. And then. Yeah, the other one is really being part of an amazing community of women who are smart and creative, inspired. I think it doesn't really matter whether you're living at the same place anymore. No, you can also connect across the world. Yeah. So I'm really grateful for that too. And the last one I would say that I'm healthy. That's something I'm really grateful for. Yeah,

Martina Fink 40:08

Our health is our most important asset. And you're doing so much to take care of it. So beautiful. Now, if somebody is considering joining perfectionist rehab and diving into releasing those high expectations and the overwhelming distress from their everyday lives, and constant people pleasing, what would you tell them?

Jessica Oschwald 40:30

I would tell them that they shouldn't wait until the time is right, because that's what I used to do. Like, I used to follow different online programs and thought that I may sign up at some point. But when I'm ready, and you're never perfectly ready, You're ready right now. So you should just do it now. and invest in yourself because you are worthy to take care of yourself. And, yeah, go for it.

Martina Fink 41:02

Yeah, I am ready now used to be an affirmation that I needed to tell myself too, because I too was waiting for like, the right time and the right moment, and everything needed to align, but just not now. Because now is not the right time because of this, this and this. But um, yeah, I love that you mentioned that. Is there anything else that you would like to share with our listeners today?

Jessica Oschwald 41:25

The the message that wherever you are at right now, it's, it's the perfect place to be. I used to ask myself a lot like why have I not come farther than I am? Or why didn't I do this? Or that? I think everyone asks themselves these questions, especially perfectionist. Yeah. So I just want to tell you, you're right, where you where you're supposed to be

Martina Fink 41:56

So beautiful. Yeah, it's all about being present and not so much in the past or in the future I should have or I should, that just causes more frustration and expectation. So I love that you share that. Where can people find you online.

Jessica Oschwald 42:12

So on my Instagram, it's the mindful underscore lab. And my website is the mindful, that lab.com

Martina Fink 42:28

Beautiful. And we will share the links in the show notes as well. So everyone go check out Jessica and her beautiful rock the weekend yoga class. Thank you so much for being here, Jessica. And for sharing your experience. I'm just, I'm so grateful for you for doing this cert for being on this journey for yourself and for your willingness to share it with others because, you know, I can talk about my programs and the experiences for so long. But it doesn't always click for people until they actually hear from a quote unquote, real woman, how much is actually possible. And I am so grateful that you shared your experience with everyone today, and you were vulnerable and courageous enough to come on to the podcast and share about yourself in your your life.

Jessica Oschwald 43:18

Thank you, Martina. I'm also very grateful for your coaching over the past year, and I wouldn't be here if I don't believe in it. And I thought, you know, the effects. And I feel like it's not easy to be vulnerable on a podcast, but I'm here because I feel that others need to hear it as well. So

Martina Fink 43:40

I just got a full guy full body goosebumps. And that's when you become a leader when you step up, and you're like, you know what, I'm scared, but I'm doing this for you. I'm doing this if I can even just help one person, then I can put my fears aside.

Jessica Oschwald 43:56

Exactly. So we should all inspire others to

Martina Fink 44:01

and get out of our own way. Yeah. I am so grateful to have Jessica in my community of wonderful clients. And you know, this is also a space for me to connect with like minded women. And for me to feel like I'm I belong to a group of wonderful women that are interested in the same topic said I am interested in and I love that. And it's been so beautiful to see her become herself again through these simple but consistent lifestyle changes that she's implemented over the years and that she is now able to share her gifts with others through her classes. The glow life All I can say like a little life if you're struggling with exhaustion and high levels of stress and high expectations, and perfectionism just like Jessica and myself used to. I actually have a free self care guide for perfectionists in the show notes that will help you with my top three steps to quit all of that and take the first step towards your own glowing life. If you are someone who is absolutely ready to tackle perfectionism, then I invite you to learn more about perfectionist rehab, which is a 90 day healing journey out of overwhelm into a peaceful, fulfilled and glowing life. The link to learn more is on my website Martina Fink comm forward slash rehab and you can also find it in the show notes. If this episode was in any way helpful for you and inspires you to live in even more glowing life, it would mean so much to me. If you left us a review for this episode, follow the good life podcast on iTunes and Spotify and for everything that we mentioned in today's episode, you can go check out the show notes at Martina Fink comm slash podcast slash 137. If there's anyone in your life that really needs to hear about Jessica's story, or even just needs to try her yoga class, please forward it to them right now. I would love to connect with you on social media you can find me at Martina glows. If you love this podcast. Please let me know I would love to hear from you. Thank you so much for being here today and for caring for yourself so deeply. Because what you do for yourself is going to impact every single soul that you touch. You deserve to feel glowing and confident. Beautiful.


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#136 Releasing Perfection to Find Your Purpose with Tallia Deljou

 
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Tallia Deljou has a Master's degree in Positive Psychology and is a life coach helping people find their path, honor their gifts, and connect to their purpose. Through her signature coaching program, Power by Purpose, and her Forbes' featured podcast, Sincerely Me, Tallia gives people the tools to break through their fears and stories and pursue meaning with clarity and confidence. Her work continues to be featured across platforms including Forbes, Fortune, Real Simple, Business Insider, and Well + Good.

IN TODAY’S EPISODE, WE TALK ABOUT:

  • How to stop looking for happiness in the "next thing"

  • How to shift out of an overthinking mindset into taking one babystep forward towards your purposeful life

  • Why your answers are in your fears

  • How to redefine success in a way that feels good and isn't just achievement based

  • Why you can perfectionize your self-care + why you should not do that

  • How to not stress about not knowing what's next

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Martina Fink 0:00

This is episode number 136. With Tallia Deljou. Welcome to the glow life podcast. The one and only place for ambitious, high achieving and perfectionist women like you who want to leave, overwhelm behind. Turn self doubt into self confidence and learn to trust yourself again, so that you can work less fully love and accept yourself and live a fulfilled and glowing life. Every week, I'll be giving you tips and inspiration on how to think less, feel more slow down and use your body and your daily habits to help you step up, level up and glow up in all areas of your life. This is not just about the big shifts, you can glow just a little more every single day.

Martina Fink 1:03

Welcome back to the glow life Podcast. I am grateful that you are here. And today I'm bringing on one of my beautiful friends, Talia and we are going to talk a lot about your purpose and how to find your purpose how to get clarity when you're feeling overwhelmed when you're overthinking everything and how to take simple steps forward out of that life where you might be kind of okay with your life. But it's just not exciting enough and not fulfilling enough. And before we dive into that, I want to share a tip with you the glow Tip of the Week. And this one is a simple one. But it's also not that easy. Sometimes it's to buy yourself flowers. I had a situation recently where I was buying tulips and it was a packet of like 15 to lips for $5, which is a really, really low price for flowers, right? And I instantly grabbed two so 32 lips. And a couple seconds later, I started feeling guilty. I was saying to myself or I was hearing the mean voice to myself say you don't need to you can just buy one, it's enough to just have one, why would you buy two, and we're talking about $5 it's clearly not about the money. It's about the worthiness and accepting that I actually am worthy of buying 30 tulips, you know. And so the next time you go to the flower store, buy yourself some flowers. And notice the story that comes up for you that fear in your mind tells you that you don't need flowers, that flowers are only two gifts to other people and not to yourself. And you will have to throw them away in a couple of days or that they're too expensive or that you don't need them like whatever it is that comes up, be mindful of that and then tell yourself that you actually do deserve them. Flowers are so beautiful. And I have one here in front of my computer and it smells so good. And it's also just so pretty. It makes me so happy to look at flowers. And I'm sure you feel the same way. So go get yourself some flowers this week and spoil yourself with whatever flower with however many you want to get. Go for it. And now let's bring on my beautiful friend Talia del Shu who has a master's degree in positive psychology and is a life coach that helps people find their path, honor their gifts and connected to their purpose through her signature coaching program called power by purpose and her Forbes featured podcast sincerely me. Talia gives people the tools to break through their fears and stories and pursue meaning with clarity and confidence. Her work continues to be featured across platforms including Forbes fortune, real simple, Business Insider and well and good. In today's episode Talia and I talk about how to stop looking for happiness in the next thing aka outside of you how to shift out of an overthinking mindset into taking one baby step forward towards your purposeful life while your answers are in your fears how to redefine success in a way that feels good and that isn't just achievement based why you can perfection is your self care and why you should not do that, how to not stress about knowing what's next and so much more and you can find everything we talked about today in the show notes at Martina Fink comm slash podcast slash 136 Welcome Talia. I am so grateful and so excited to have you on the podcast today.

Tallia Deljou 4:51

Thank you so much for having me. I feel like this was destined and meant to be and we will. Yeah, we'll see what comes up in this conversation because I'm sure we could go for days.

Martina Fink 5:02

I know, I know so much to talk about, around the things that we have experienced and the things that we work with, with our clients on. And so one of the things that you're really big on is clarity and finding your purpose really, like why am I here? What am I doing? And before we dive into all those details, I would love to know, what your experience was that actually brought you to your purpose.

Tallia Deljou 5:27

Yeah, that's a great place to start. So I think for me, you know, as, as far back as I can remember, my mind has always been filled with questions, and curiosity around what makes life worth living and what gives us a sense of identity and like, what is purpose and what makes life meaningful. And a lot of those questions were shaped from just kind of experiencing my mom for years up until today, really searching for herself and searching for her purpose and kind of chasing happiness and thinking she's going to find it in the next thing right outside of herself. And, you know, it's hard to see that it's hard to watch that. And that's, you know, when you observe that happening, like you start to see the ways and the things you've been looking for that thing in, clearly are working. You kind of just see, you know, I've seen her kind of stuck in that same cycle for years and years and years. And that ultimately led me to wanting to pursue kind of higher education and all of this and get my master's in positive psychology, which really helped me find the answers to these questions that were just naturally kind of like, in my mind already. And so that's, that's really what kind of shaped who I am. And we'll talk about this in terms of my philosophy around purpose. But I think purpose is really being in the most authentic expression of who you are, and finding answers to the questions that come So naturally, and that you're kind of curiosities already tied to you. And so for me, it's, it's what I do now is helping other people find it, but it's also just who I am. Like, it's what I think about when I wake up, it's what gets me to feel my emotions, it's all of those things combined in one. So I've been lucky in that I've really been in touch with that thing for as long as I can remember, because it was such a big part of my day to day experience in reality, and I knew that's what I was experiencing. I'm sure other people are also asking the same questions, but don't really know where to turn to find answers. So that's a little bit of the background story in terms of what got me to, to doing this work today.

Martina Fink 7:27

Yeah, I love that you mentioned that you're helping others now. Because we always feel that we're the only one with whatever it is, we're struggling with, whether it's you know, the breakup, or the not knowing what to do, or having lack of clarity or being really hard on yourself, we always feel like we're the only ones. And knowing that like is that whatever I'm experiencing, most probably someone else is experiencing or has experienced the same thing. And that's just so powerful, and a beautiful reminder to know that we're not alone in this. And that's why we have such beautiful communities where women can come together that are experiencing similar things. I feel like that's like, that's because you and I, that's why you and I connect so well, too, because we have like some similar experiences that we're going through.

Tallia Deljou 8:19

Yeah, I mean, that's what that's what creates connection. That's what creates a sense of belonging. And I think that's why you and I love running group programs, because we know the value like yes, there's value in doing this work on your own and in like the self reflection ways and whatnot. But we're missing such a big piece of the puzzle for doing it on our own. And so much of I think what people walk away with is not just the kind of clarity that comes from doing the work, but also the like feeling held feeling supported feeling seeing there is such a healing component to this work that can only really habit in groups. And I know people are hesitant to let themselves be seen in the mess of it all. But there's something so beautiful about inviting people into that part of your journey and story. And I know you and I like it lights us up to facilitate that and create those spaces and also be in those spaces ourselves and let ourselves be seen and whatever we need to be seen in.

Martina Fink 9:16

Yeah, and I was just listening to this book called Pussy by Regina Thomas shower on my walk today and she was talking about how you know for me, that's the glow for her she talks about radiance and she was saying how your radiance can come out in the presence of other women. It's almost like we light each other up to bring that radiance out of you. And since we are I don't want to say we because we are in this space but someone who is just you know, working and hustling and going to the office every day and overworking themselves and working from home and working on the weekends and during their vacation. All of that stuff like you're completely disconnected from your radiance because you're not putting yourself in environments where this glow can eventually come up and come out of you.

Tallia Deljou 10:03

Yeah, absolutely. And I mean everything. We're relational beings, everything happens in relationship, right? Yes with ourselves, but but especially in relationship with other people, because that's where the triggers come. And that's what that's where our lessons really reveal themselves. So yeah, I think I love that idea of like the radiance and the glow, and it being something we can pull out of each other when we come together.

Martina Fink 10:26

Yeah, so let's talk about clarity and purpose. Because the the women I work with are usually, you know, very hard working and often overwhelmed, easily stressed out irritable, because all they do is I always say work, eat, sleep, repeat. And that's, you know, gets you to a point where you're like, is this really it? And you're like, mid 30s, you're wondering, is this really it? Or is there something else? You already know that there's something missing? But it's often very difficult to say, what is it that is missing? And then also, what do I even do? Because I'm already certain age and Can I still change my career? Or what if I quit my job and don't find another one? Or like, you know, things in relationships. So it's something really difficult for them where they're overthinking, and are feeling also overwhelmed with the possibilities and the options, and maybe right now in 2021, not being able to do certain things you would want to do. And so what would you do with such a client that comes to you is like, please help me I don't know where to start. But I know there's something more in life.

Tallia Deljou 11:33

Yeah. I mean, so we would go in so many different directions, I think the first thing would be to just kind of celebrate that knowing, right? You wouldn't, yes, there might be the overwhelm and the uncertainty, and I don't know what's next, and all the questions and the fears and the excuses and the doubts. And yet underneath all of that there is a knowing that there's something that's asking for your attention. So to celebrate the fact that you're in touch with that part of you, and that, you want to listen to that, because most people, I'd go so far as to say, you know, most people just ignore that voice and deny that voice. And don't let that voice come to the surface. And so it's big to just acknowledge that it's there. And to get curious about it. I think that's the first thing I'd say is let's look at this and get curious before freaking out about what it means or like what I have to do now and what does that mean for my job? And what does that mean, for the 30 years of my life that I've built like, slowly roll right and just let's let's first celebrate and acknowledge and look at what wants to be looked at. And then I think it's immediately kind of stepping into this space of, you know, what are the hesitations? What are the doubts? What are the fears? And what are they there to tell you? Again, it's a continuation of that first piece, let's stay curious. And let's look at the objections that are stopping you from really exploring what wants to be explored. And I think what stops most people from that is they jump immediately to again, what do I have to do about this? And how is it going to happen? Or what is it going to look like? And then just how, right and I think, when that question comes in, it's really just our way of stopping ourselves from the exploration because the exploration feels threatening, because it's different than what we know. And so it starts to just kind of shake up the foundation that we've felt for so long. So the question of how we don't know how to answer the house. So Well, what's the point? I'm going to just forget about this and keep doing what I've been doing? So I know, there's a lot of pieces in that. But I think it's staying curious about it. I think it's looking at the fears, the doubts, the assumptions, calling them out, bringing them to the surface, and really looking at what's actually true in them and challenging the truth of them and letting yourself not have the answers yet letting yourself not fully know. And being okay, in that kind of gray area, I think that's a muscle we all get to build is is what is the relationship to uncertainty, can you let yourself explore without fully knowing what it's going to lead to and not be attached to the outcome? In the process of it.

Martina Fink 14:02

There's a controlling aspect to this, which is very dominant and perfectionist, you know, wanting to be the one in control and wanting to know, not just what is step number one, two, and three, but also 57, 58, 59. And then also you want to know where step 100 what that will get you. And if you don't know what step 100 will be is like the how, like you said, then you're not even starting. Yeah, so I feel like it's really bringing them back into the present moment and thinking like Okay, now let's take just one baby step and then see what happens.

Tallia Deljou 14:39

Exactly, it totally is a practice of presence, because all all the things you just mentioned is us jumping into the future. Well, what is this person gonna think and well, what if I do quit and then they say this thing and what if? And just notice like with all the what ifs in the what ifs is the thing you actually want, right? Well, what if when I quit, this happens. Oh, so So quitting is something you're actually considering. Let's look at that before the fear of judgment tackles itself on to it and attaches right. Like the answers are in the fears. And it's it's about, like teasing out what's true and what's not. And and also looking at I asked this question last week on one of my group calls like what are you getting from? What are you getting from the story that you don't know? Because I think there's an element of like, yes, you want to let yourself have the answers. But also, what are you pretending not to know? What are you getting from not knowing? And most of it's just comfort and familiarity? Because as long as I tell myself, I don't know, I don't have to do anything about it.

Martina Fink 15:40

Yeah. It's interesting. I just recently surveyed my entire community to find out, you know, what they're struggling with? What's holding them back? Where's perfectionism standing in the way. And one of the things they mentioned is like, they are so afraid of failing that they don't even start and not even just failing, it's more like, well, if I do this, then I have to do perfectly, or you know, that new life or whatever that purpose or that business or that project has to be perfect. And in order for it to be perfect, it becomes so much that I don't even want to start.

Tallia Deljou 16:14

Yep. But there's something you're getting from that. Because starting is a risk starting feel threatening to the ego starting is new and different than stalling, which is what you've been doing. And so like, of course, of course, that's how you're feeling. And can you let that be there while also taking action? Like, it doesn't have to be one or the other thing? I think it's inviting space for both inviting space for fear fear of failure and risk taking. But yeah, I mean, I think the fear of failure, not even trying, because it has to look perfect. I mean, I think you and I and maybe we can speak into just the experience we're going through right now in this program we're in together and how, yeah, it feels, can I can I use bad words?

Martina Fink 17:03

Just be you.

Tallia Deljou 17:05

Like, yeah, it feels fucking threatening, because I'm in unfamiliar territory, right? And there's a part of me that wants to have all the answers and wants to get it right. But then there's no, there's no growth in that, right. And of course, it's easier said than done, I need to hear this, myself, too, is like, I can't expect it to be perfect. And if I did, then I wouldn't be able to learn the lessons I need to learn in order to grow myself and my business and like dot dot dot. And so it goes back to the question of what like, What's your relationship to uncertainty? And can you let yourself be new at something? Can you let it be unfamiliar? Can you let yourself not be the one in the room with all the answers? And for me that the thought of that was the scariest thing because I had never done that I had never been in the room with a bunch of people where I was the one who had no answers. Like I've, I like being the one who people turn to and who go to for it. Like, that's what I'm used to. And I get a sense of identity and self worth and value. And being that person, it's my I've built up an identity around it. And I know like being a perfectionist, it's an identity, right? And so to not be in that identity is like, well, who am I if I can't wear this identity of perfectionist or identity of whatever, because that's how I've identified myself for so long. And so to detach from that, or to maybe set that down for a moment, makes me feel like I'll be standing in a room totally naked, with nothing to protect me like it's, it's, again, it's the most threatening thing, because it's been it's been armor, it's been protection. It's been a blanket that, you know, hopefully you invite yourself where you get invited to try, try taking it off for a day and see what happens. And you can pick it back up if you want to. But it's a conscious choice, you get to make too.

Martina Fink 18:55

Yeah, I like to refer to it as wearing masks, and, you know, hiding behind your mask and pretending you're all good behind your mask when you're really, you know, crumbling and struggling and, and all of those things. So it's beautiful that you mentioned that and stepping out of that is scary. 100%.

Tallia Deljou 19:15

Yeah. And that's, I think the last thing I'll add there, too, is because I think a lot of us associate our success to the identity versus the actual qualities that you possess as a person, right? Like, and this is so much of where the imposter stuff comes into the picture as we associate our success to Well, I got lucky or Well, I put in 10 extra hours or I didn't make a mistake. And it's like, well, Is that why you achieve success? Or is it because you know, you're a highly intuitive person or because you have a really developed skill set and blank and like it's other things too. And so it's making sure we're looking at all those things that attribute to our successes and feeling like we get to remove the pieces that feel the heaviest and know that what remains standing is the parts of us that are actually lasting and true. And who we really are deep down.

Martina Fink 20:10

Yeah, what came to me as we were talking was like the difference between doing and being, and success being something for most people, for me, including in the past, specifically, of what are my achievements, what have I done, and after I do certain things, or after I reach a certain position or salary or whatever, then I am being seen as successful. Whereas the route we're going now is like, how can you be a different person? How can you embody everything that success means because success, the definition of success for me has changed so much in the past years, it's no longer about the numbers and the, you know, what's in your CV, and what other people think of you and all that stuff, and the, the amount of compliments you received, but it's more around, I'm measuring my success on, like, how happy I am and how fulfilled I am and how beautiful my day is, and how beautiful I make my days, and how you Yeah, really, for me, it's the glow life, like how glowing is my life today. And if it's totally glowing, then that's a success. And that's the kind of life I want to live in. That's the kind of person I want to be, I don't want to be doing something in order to be successful, I want to just embody all of these elements that I define success with.

Tallia Deljou 21:30

Yeah, and what I love about your whole, like, all your messaging, your brand new is that what makes me glow is it's different for me than it is for you. Right. So there's such a level a level of layer of like, it's subjective, it's personal. And and, and yet On the flip side, I think where we get kind of lost on our own path is that there's this one idea of success we all buy into, and I'm sure you still fit into this plenty, so I won't get too much into it. But the power here is in that you get to define what a what a glow, yeah, well glow means to you, and how that feels to you and what that looks like to you. And it's it's personal, it's some it's not something that anybody else can tell you, or define for you or even measure for you. It's your own kind of internal compass. And, and I think that's why it's such a beautiful and the visual to have, like, of just the glow and the sparkle of the shine. Like, it's such a beautiful and warm feeling comes with it. And yeah, I think it's a really important new metric we get to use when we think about what we want for ourselves, and what's actually going to lead to a high quality of life that again, no one can determine but you.

Martina Fink 22:37

And what does it mean to you personally?

Tallia Deljou 22:39

What it means to me is, I was thinking about this question, because I knew you were gonna ask it. Think living a glow live means standing in my power. And I know even power is kind of like a big abstract word. But it's it's really drawing my sense of self from within myself, and knowing which voice is the voice of truth, because we've all got that small cell voice. And then we've got that higher self voice. And for me, it's really about getting into the practice of making the conscious choice to choose the higher voice, the greater voice that your voice. And I think it's also when I think about, you know, the word glow, it's also really about loving myself. And this has been such a hard lesson for me, but letting myself shine, and not be afraid of how it makes other people feel, and just taking more responsibility for myself and less for other people. That's been a tough lesson. But I think yeah, that's what comes to mind when I when I answer the question.

Martina Fink 23:42

Yeah, you will be surprised by how many other people you can actually Inspire to glow to when you allow yourself to glow.

Tallia Deljou 23:50

Yeah. And then it opens up such a window of exploration, right? Because there's like, there's, there are very clear experiences that I've had throughout my life that make me feel like it's not safe to be in my joy. So I carry that with me as I do. That's proof that it's not. So I hold on to that. Because I don't want to feel the way I felt in those experiences. And so that's again, where we get to, you know, do some coaching work and do some healing work, because is that one experience going to define me in the rest of my life? I hope not. But there are pieces that still kind of like remnants of that, that hold me back into like, some old ways of being. So that's the beauty of this work, though.

Martina Fink 24:35

So many times I thought, okay, now I'm over this. I've got this, I figured it out. And then the next big challenge comes and you notice Oh, it's the exact same thing, the exact same wound that comes up that we need to peel back another layer of the onion to you know, that just keeps growing.

Tallia Deljou 24:52

Yeah, and you saw this for me in our last call. But there was again something that came up for me and through digging and looking it you know what's behind it, I was like, damn it, it's the same shit. Like, it's, it's the same thing but manifesting this other way. And okay, like, I get to look at this again, you know and and stay curious about it and be loving and gentle and patient with myself instead of beating myself up for like, why aren't you over this yet? And why is this still bothering you? And you're better than that and don't let this bother you anymore. And it's easy to fall into that kind of judgment and self criticism. Or you can just say, All right, let's see what what's clearly something still here. And if I don't look at it now, it'll continue popping up. Let's play.

Martina Fink 25:39

Yeah, let's play. What would you say has been the biggest lesson that you have learned about yourself? on this journey?

Tallia Deljou 25:48

Oh, my gosh, so many, too many. Sometimes my husband's like, Can you just have like a normal day or you're not trying to coach yourself through every? Every day? I'm like, I just realized this thing about me like I'm so deep in it sometimes, or all the time. But I'd say one of the biggest lessons recently, since there are so many ways I could answer this question. One of my biggest recent lessons is in like giving myself permission to change and be different. I actually wrote this down to create some content around I think, when someone does something like you've changed or you're different, the like underlying sentiment there is that it's wrong or that it's bad. And yet, I think that's the most beautiful compliment I could ever receive is that I've changed and that I'm different, because I'm growing, and I'm human, and I'm evolving. And, and because I'm giving myself that permission to change and be different. I'm also giving other people permission to change and be different. And that takes some radical honesty with myself, because I think I've definitely had moments where I'm like, Oh, she's not how she used to be, she's changed. And it's like, well, of course, she has that like, because she's a living human being. And that's what we're here to do. I think that's something I've recently been looking at and moving through and giving myself and therefore other people permission to not that it's my job to give other people permission, but it it's just brought some perspective until like the point of life is that and why are we so quick and harsh to judge ourselves or other people for doing what we're here to do, which is grow and change? And I hope I'm not the same person I was last year. I don't I don't take offense to that, if that's the feedback you'd have to give me.

Martina Fink 27:32

Yeah, it's so funny. On my birthday, I received a couple of cards from like, really old friends. You know, like friends, we've been friends since like teenager or even before and there were saying something like, I don't know if you do that in English, but in German, we would say something like, say the way you are. I'm like, I don't want to stay the way I am. Like, there's so many things I want to explore. And it really triggered me I'm like, I'm glad you like me the way I am. But I have so much more I want to do and create an explorer. I don't want to stay the same.

Tallia Deljou 28:03

Interesting. Yeah. So what like what's immediately coming up for me there too, which might seem contradictory to what I said earlier? Maybe not? I'm not sure yet. But I think as we grow, it's not that we're like for someone to say stay the way you are. It's like yeah, and I'm going to become more and more and more and more of who I really am. And with that means I'm going to like I'm going to change but I'm changing into more of me versus being a different or another person. Does that make sense?

Martina Fink 28:33

Yeah. It's just, it's just about Yeah, probably peeling more of the masks back that you're wearing and becoming more more of you really?

Tallia Deljou 28:43

Yeah, yeah. So interesting.

Martina Fink 28:45

So it's like, so complex. My brain must be like trying to.

Tallia Deljou 28:54

This is where I like conversations when they get into this like, almost like philosophical like, what what Who are you really and like? What does it mean to be more of who you are? And like, what is the self and how the it's just yeah, it opens up so many more questions.

Martina Fink 29:09

For sure. For sure. Like we Yeah, we could go on forever. We need to set like a dinner date or something like discuss? Who am I?

Tallia Deljou 29:21

Beautiful question.

Martina Fink 29:22

Now I have a couple of questions before we wrap up. And the first one is that I want to know your self care routine.

Tallia Deljou 29:29

Yes. I love this question. Because I also struggle with like, well, but this isn't really like a routine that most people like I have this idea of what a self care routine should look like. And because it's not that I feel like mine is not good enough. So I'm in the practice of really like owning my self, my stuff my life the way I live. So for me, my self care routine involves flexibility in the mornings of what time I wake up. It involves listening to my body I think you had recently posted something about like, if you're snoozing, if you're just tired, like let yourself rest, let yourself sleep. So self care to me is really listening and trusting my body and not feeling bound by like rules that I placed on myself or how things should look. Another big part of my self care routine is movement of some sort. And it's by no means like a 30. It's, it's this many minutes, every day I do this thing, it really is just like when I feel like my body needs to move, I move my body, when I'm thirsty, I drink water, like it's really a practice of just listening and responding and giving my body what it's asking for another big piece of it. I've actually started doing this recently, I just got this amazing. I'm not I would not call myself a planner, or a to do list person like, that just makes me like really squirm. But I just got this journal called the mind map journal. And it's a comp, it's a journal slash planner. And it's the one I've actually stuck to so far, and I've been carving out time. And this is very new. But I'm really excited about it, because of how it makes me feel actually putting things in my calendar, like, take a break and go to Starbucks, right? It's like little treats that I give myself throughout the day, to remind me that I, I also matter in my day, because most of my day goes to other people to clients to like meetings and calls. And so for me, it's making sure that I also include myself in my days and include my needs in my days, and carve out time for it. And it looks differently every day. I don't have a like, here's my routine every morning. I kind of wish I did. But I'm also just that's not how I function right now. That was a long winded answer, and not much of a direct answer. But that's kind of what it looks like for me right now.

Martina Fink 31:44

Yeah. And that's also the reason why I asked everyone who comes on to the podcast, what their routine is, because there is no right or wrong here. And there is also a tendency to perfectionize, your routines, and like I have to work out 30 minutes every day, I have to do my meditations 10 minutes every morning. And if I don't do them, I'm failing. And that's exactly, you know, just kind of like a different perfectionism coming disguised as another thing, you know. And so the goal for self care is truly to listen to your body and do whatever it needs. And just like you said, doing those things, sleeping in taking breaks. And at the same time, if you're someone that's very used to over giving, and always being there, for other people, you need to have certain boundaries with yourself, like scheduling your Starbucks and, and things like that, where you get reminded that it is an appointment that is just as important, if not more, as any other appointments. And I, I had to schedule my lunch breaks in because I used to skip lunch all the time, because I was so busy, and there was so much to do, and you got to schedule it in. And if that helps, great if you don't schedule it in for me, it's like if something's not on my calendar, it's not happening. Often.

Tallia Deljou 33:03

Yeah, I'm the same way. And I have you to think too, for just some of the ways I've changed. Spending time with throughout my week, like the invitation from you and how you kind of shared how you schedule your own time, as you know, now, over the past two weeks moving forward Mondays and Tuesdays, I don't book really any calls. And it's my day to like focus on the things I need to focus on. And my time goes to me and myself and my business and whatever else needs attention. So I call that a part of my self care is is setting its boundary setting 100%. And just noticing how different it felt to wake up yesterday, and to not have any calls on my schedule. Like it truly felt it felt really nice. It felt like a gift to myself. It felt sacred, it felt really special. And it made me feel cared for by me, you know. And so yeah, I think I love that you asked this question, I think there is a tendency to want the answer to be perfect, but it is just what it is for now.

Martina Fink 34:04

Yeah. And it's also if you don't take care of you, nobody else is going to do that for you. Because nobody can do that for you. And there will always be more things you can do. Yeah. And tomorrow is another day.

Tallia Deljou 34:16

Yeah. Yeah. And that's it's an interesting question. And I'll keep the short but I think there was probably an element of wanting somebody else to do it for me, and waiting for somebody else to do it for me because I saw myself as the victim to my calendar or to my business like woe is me and I'm so busy. If that's the biggest that's the mindset I'm in then yeah, I'm waiting for somebody else to come in and make sure I wake up or save me from my life. You know, you're in office like you have a lot more power than you're telling yourself you do and be it's no one else's responsibility but your own and what's comfortable about being in that place is that you get to blame You get to blame other people for your lack of care for yourself, which is interesting to look at too.

Martina Fink 35:07

And I used to be the same when I was still working full time at Apple, I was so proud to tell everyone how busy I was and how I didn't have time. And now when people come to me and brag about how busy they are, and how they don't have time, like, poor you, you know, like, I know how that feels. I know how that feels. But that's not how we should be living life. Right. And and there is absolutely no benefit of burning yourself out.

Tallia Deljou 35:34

Yeah, it is interesting, because I find myself too. It's like, well, if I don't talk about work, then someone asks me how things are going on like, Well, what do I, what do I talk about? Am I still interesting? Am I like, does it make me boring? If I'm like, I'm chilling, like, I'm not doing much. I'm actually not that busy. And it feels amazing, right? There's an element of like, Is that enough? Is that enough to Yeah. Does that make me interesting? Also, like, why does it matter?

Martina Fink 36:01

Exactly, yeah.

Tallia Deljou 36:02

But they find the interesting.

Martina Fink 36:04

Yeah. And that's a whole other conversation. But I feel like we're just so programmed to believe that we need to be busy and busy equals successful. And so we're just, you know, creating a new reality for a generation that doesn't want to hustle that hard.

Tallia Deljou 36:22

Yeah, absolutely.

Martina Fink 36:24

Tell you what are three things that you are grateful for today?

Tallia Deljou 36:28

Ah, time.

Martina Fink 36:31

Yes,

Tallia Deljou 36:32

That's a big thing for me to say, because I feel like, I fight a lot with time and time gives me a lot of anxiety. Running out of time gives me a lot of anxiety. But I am grateful for the time I now feel like I have. And again, I just want to say thanks. Thanks to you for some of the voice notes and coaching you You gave me around this idea that like time wraps around me. And that's totally shifted, it's shifted so much for me. So thank you for that. so grateful for time, I'm grateful for this beautiful space that I get to take these calls in my office and my vision board that Yeah, I'm grateful that I get to feel good. In, in my home when we've you know, we've been home for over a year with COVID and quarantine. And yet, it's been such a beautiful sacred space to be protected by. So I'm grateful for that. And I'm grateful for just new beginnings, new chapters, my husband got a new job offer yesterday, which is really exciting. It opens up a whole new world of people and network and opportunities. And yeah, it feels like an exciting new chapter for us both as well. So those are the things I'm grateful for today.

Martina Fink 37:43

Oh, congratulations. That's very exciting. Very exciting. Is there anything else you would like to share with our listeners today?

Tallia Deljou 37:52

Um, last thing I'll share is how lucky are you who is listening that you found Martina, because she is such a bright light. And I feel like you and I, we think in so many similar ways, and I think triggered by a lot of the same things. It's just been really nice to have found you on my own journey. And I have no doubt that many other people feel the same. So whoever's listening, send some love and gratitude to this lovely lady right here because it's important work and you show up in your own glow. And you take care of yourself and show us that we get to do the same. So thank you.

Martina Fink 38:32

You're so welcome. And I'm feeling so blessed to know you too. And like have someone who actually understands me, you know, some of the things we're going through. Where can people find you online? Talia?

Tallia Deljou 38:44

Yes, so people can find me. My main platform is Instagram. So I'm on the gram at TalliaDeljou. And my website is TalliaDeljou.com, my kind of bread and butter is as Martina alluded to helping people really find their path and, and honor their purpose. And so if you're looking for some more direction around all things, purpose and path and what are your soul gifts and what's the call on your heart and what are you here to do I invite you to just poke around and see what's what's up in my world and reach out and say hello, I love connecting to any and all human beings. And especially if you're here in the space listening to this conversation, I'm sure there's a lot we get jammed out together. So that's where you can find me.

Martina Fink 39:27

Beautiful. We will link all your links in the show notes and you also have a podcast.

Tallia Deljou 39:32

I do.

Martina Fink 39:34

Yeah, we too will link as well. Thank you so much Talia for taking the time out of your day to have this conversation for sharing your beautiful glow with everyone in my community. And I just want to honor you for doing this work as well. And for you know, supporting and guiding so many people to their own glow and helping them uncover their their purpose so that they can also ripple out there go to more people and that's how we truly, you know, make the world a better place.

Tallia Deljou 40:06

Exactly. That's what we're here to do.

Martina Fink 40:09

Thank you.

Martina Fink 40:10

I am so grateful to be friends with Talia and for meeting amazing women like her in programs and courses that I attend myself. And sometimes my clients asked me how can I find more people and friends that align with my values and what I want to do in my life. And if you are looking for new best friends, join a program where you can find your own glow and become the best version of you. And then that glow will ripple out to the people that are also in the program. And when you invest in programs and courses that you enjoy, you will find people that enjoy the same things. If you are struggling with overwhelm, control, stress, negative self talk perfectionism, not knowing what to do next and resonate with the topics that we shared today. You can find more about working with me on Martina Fink calm or with the link in the show notes. Don't forget to download your self care guide for perfectionist to help you quit overwhelm and work less without compromising results. The link is also in the show notes and no I'm not just telling you to do face smiles and drink a cup of tea This is a different a next level kind of self care guide. If you enjoyed this episode and you were able to take away some really helpful tips from this I would be so happy if you would share your review. for this episode. Follow the glow life podcast on iTunes and Spotify and for everything we mentioned in today's episode, you can go check out the show notes at Martina Fink comm slash podcast slash 136. There's anybody in your life that you love and that really needs to hear everything we talked about today. Please forward it to them right now. Thank you for being here today and for truly caring so deeply for yourself. Because what you do for yourself and when you find your purpose, this is going to impact every single soul that you touch. You deserve to feel glowing and confident, beautiful.


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